So which is more future proof?

[Guden Oden]

Besides, I did say more future-proof'd than the Xbox 360, not completely future proof. I certainly hope you aren't arguing that including a Blu-Ray drive is less future proof than not using a next-gen disc format at all :-\

Don't you notice jvd's pattern of behavior here of bashing PS3 for all the features it has (that x360 happens to lack)? It's too many this and too many that, and those look completely unneccessary and blah blah. To be fair though, he's not the only one doing that.

I wonder, when the hell did console technogeeks become such GOD DAMN WHINERS?

Then again, proponents of one system have always (usually quite unsuccessfully, and sometimes spectacularly so) tried to downplay a superior competitor's advantages, I remember people bashing SNES too back when it and the Megadrive were hot.

If you're going to argue that the Xbox 360 may include HD-DVD in the future, don't bother. It's not in the Xbox 360 spec yet so it's not part of the system.

Actually, listening to what Bill Gates actually said, MS might just as well include a BR drive as a HDDVD one. They haven't said either nay or aye on that subject.

 

[Gholbine]

Don't you notice jvd's pattern of behavior here of bashing PS3 for all the features it has (that x360 happens to lack)? It's too many this and too many that, and those look completely unneccessary and blah blah. To be fair though, he's not the only one doing that.

I've noticed jvd doing this in many threads, particularly when it comes to Blu-Ray.

Actually, listening to what Bill Gates actually said, MS might just as well include a BR drive as a HDDVD one. They haven't said either nay or aye on that subject.

That's probably true, but I guess my real point is that no matter what happens, the Xbox 360 games won't be stored on a next-gen optical format while the PS3 games will. I'd say that constitutes "future proofing".

In any case, a lot of these "future proof" arguements are irrelevant. Just because the Xbox 360 might be less "future proof" than the PS3, doesn't make it any worse of a videogames console. It's all about the games.

 

[Java_man]

For me the more future proof is the one i will buy:
Xbox 360.
Why ?
Because it will have the games i want
Seriously they are only console and Sony can claim as much as they want that the PS3 is a multimedia computer i will never buy it.
The day they will decide to pack a hdd with the PS3( and some others features) then i will begin to believe them.
Anyway,from a games standpoint they are almost equal as the PS3 has a slight advantage regarding their storage medium and the CPU power but the Xbox 360 has a harddrive and a more advanced GPU.

 

[rabidrabbit]

Isn't the latest analyst (read: Company Outsourced Spokesman) rumour stating that the xbox360 will ship with two version; one with hard disk and other accessories like extra controller, and the other a basic console with one wired controller and no hd?

I believe that's what is going to happen, in that case the hd being an advantage over Sony's addon hd becomes nul.

 

[BlueTsunami]

The whole two HDMI thing isn't "niche". I could easily go to friends and bring my Flat Panel and he could hook up his Flat Panel to my PS3 and we would be able to have separete screens to ourselves. When people think HDMI they think giant 60" HDTV's...but what everyone seems to forget is that you can hook HDMI up to a DVI connection through an adapter. Flat Panels computer monitors are very popular (most of them come with DVI) and sales are on the rise, with that said it would be very easy to be able to make use of the two HDMI ports, even the non geeks out there.

Also, if the 360 DOES ship with two versions....then yeah, how would that be different then the PS3 having the HDD as an addon? There are going to be people out there that are going to see the price difference and get the cheapest system, possibly not knowing that theres no HDD with it...

 

[Sovere]

To be honest the more future proof console is the one that is supported the longest all the features and AAA games come second place to support in the instance of future proofing.

 

[maximum]

The games are what will count in the long rung (but that hype that you generate can take you a long way as well).

Only a small percentage of an already small percentage of HDTV owners will own a 1080p set this gen. - fluff.

Dual HDMI - fluff.

Dual monitor support - fluff

BluRay will generate some initial hype (but a year after when these dvd players are the norm it will seldom be mentioned).

I think it would be wise for M$ to include the Hard Drive. It will be the only leg up they'll have on Sony (even if it's just so they can say it's something they have that Sony doesn't).

At the end of the day it's all about the games. If they can generate the hype with the "mine is bigger than yours" in the spec wars it may be favorable at least initially to that company.

It's really Sony's battle to lose though. They still will have tons of developer support, they have the major hype train and mind share, and on paper they are specced out to be ahead of the 360 (however in reality we may see no difference in the actual games for both systems).

*grabs the popcorn*

 

[a688]

The whole two HDMI thing isn't "niche". I could easily go to friends and bring my Flat Panel and he could hook up his Flat Panel to my PS3 and we would be able to have separete screens to ourselves. When people think HDMI they think giant 60" HDTV's...but what everyone seems to forget is that you can hook HDMI up to a DVI connection through an adapter. Flat Panels computer monitors are very popular (most of them come with DVI) and sales are on the rise, with that said it would be very easy to be able to make use of the two HDMI ports, even the non geeks out there.

Also, if the 360 DOES ship with two versions....then yeah, how would that be different then the PS3 having the HDD as an addon? There are going to be people out there that are going to see the price difference and get the cheapest system, possibly not knowing that theres no HDD with it...

You can't always hookup HDMI to DVI and expect it to work (if HDCP is involved then it won't work on (all) DVI). Also, how exactly will people make use of two HDMI ports? People have to program for dual monitor use and since only a small number will ever use that feature, let alone have dual monitors to use I doubt many people will program for it. Honestly, people who think that 2x HDMI is somehow a positive thing over 1x HDMI probably also think that their car needs 6 wheels to operate properly, because 6 is obviously greater than 4 and therefore better.

Isn't the latest analyst (read: Company Outsourced Spokesman) rumour stating that the xbox360 will ship with two version; one with hard disk and other accessories like extra controller, and the other a basic console with one wired controller and no hd?

I believe that's what is going to happen, in that case the hd being an advantage over Sony's addon hd becomes nul.

MS has already stated that the HDD will be standard. The only people making waves about having two versions are analysts stuck in the world 6 months ago.

 

[BlueTsunami]

You can't always hookup HDMI to DVI and expect it to work (if HDCP is involved then it won't work on (all) DVI). Also, how exactly will people make use of two HDMI ports? People have to program for dual monitor use and since only a small number will ever use that feature, let alone have dual monitors to use I doubt many people will program for it. Honestly, people who think that 2x HDMI is somehow a positive thing over 1x HDMI probably also think that their car needs 6 wheels to operate properly, because 6 is obviously greater than 4 and therefore better.

Whats with this add 10 wheels to a truck analogies? That would just be impractical and add no benifit whatsoever but two HDMI ports would allow a multiplayer game (between two people) to have their own screen? Is that impractical? Can that really be likened to adding two more wheels to a car to make it six? If there was 5 HDMI ports then yeah...I would say your correct...but no..there two HDMI Ports, TWO, I'm reminded of a certain peice of PC hardware that comes with TWO DVI connections, i'm wondering if thats also just as pointless.

In my room I have a 27" HDTV and a 19" Monitor, both fairly close to eachother, I would be able to hook my PS3 not only to my Computer Monitor but to my HDTV. Also, Sony stated that the Dual-HDMI will have other uses besides gaming.

......Your the type of people that would want 67 more razors added to the gillete shavers, it would be called Mach 67....I'm still waiting for that analogy....

 

[Guden Oden]

Honestly, people who think that 2x HDMI is somehow a positive thing over 1x HDMI probably also think that their car needs 6 wheels to operate properly, because 6 is obviously greater than 4 and therefore better.

That's just dumb.

Two HDMI out isn't the same as one car with six wheels. If we HAVE to do a car analogy, it's obviously the same as having two cars instead of one (or in case of x360: none). Jesus, if you have to pointlessly bash stuff just for the sake of it, at least get your analogies straight.
*Edit: this thread is now officially TERRIBLE.

 

[London Geezer]

That's just dumb.

Two HDMI out isn't the same as one car with six wheels. If we HAVE to do a car analogy, it's obviously the same as having two cars instead of one (or in case of x360: none). Jesus, if you have to pointlessly bash stuff just for the sake of it, at least get your analogies straight.
*Edit: this thread is now officially TERRIBLE.

Don't you just love it when people compare apples with oranges with new comparisons about monkeys and butts. You know, somehow correlated but in just the wrong way.

 

[BlueTsunami]

That's just dumb.

Two HDMI out isn't the same as one car with six wheels. If we HAVE to do a car analogy, it's obviously the same as having two cars instead of one (or in case of x360: none). Jesus, if you have to pointlessly bash stuff just for the sake of it, at least get your analogies straight.
*Edit: this thread is now officially TERRIBLE.

The two car analogy does sound better (I didn't even care to think what would be a better one). Its good that its there and if you have a family, your not restricted to only having access to one car. With PC's and newer video cards you get two DVI connections, so in my mind its not as excessive as some people state two HDMI ports are.....in all honesty, if two connections can be added like that, one video out seems kinda restrictive...but to each his/her own.

I guess the question if we should really be asking (pertaining to HDMI) is how much did it cost to implement the second HDMI Port. If current Video Cards come with two connections standard...then I would think the second HDMI ports was negligble cost wise.

EDIT: Heres a link to the HDMI Specifications paper (from the official HDMI site)

http://www.hdmi.org/download/HDMI_Specification_1.1.pdf

I haven't sifted through it yet, i'm at work..but whoever wants to check it out...there it is.

 

[Guden Oden]

I guess the question if we should really be asking (pertaining to HDMI) is how much did it cost to implement the second HDMI Port.

If we're to believe popular rumor, that RSX and G70 are essentially one and the same, well, considering as that chip inherently supports dual digital outs we can all use our intellects to draw our own conclusions regarding the potential cost - or lack thereof.

 

[BlueTsunami]

If we're to believe popular rumor, that RSX and G70 are essentially one and the same, well, considering as that chip inherently supports dual digital outs we can all use our intellects to draw our own conclusions regarding the potential cost - or lack thereof.

I had thought that was the case, but didn't want to say it, since I was unsure. So if you have a secondary port that is basically dirt-cheap (cost wise)....what would you do? Some of the posts here suggest that even in that case, they would still go with one Video out...i'm way to used to my Dual-Screen setup at work and I am very ecstatic that there doing this.

I for one would like two just because Sony CAN do it and it shouldn't be that expensive anyways.

 

[Qroach]

Guden, I think he means the purchase of the HDMI connectors and not the implementation in hardware to support HDMI.

Anyway this thread is full of so much nonsense, it should have been closed afer titanios big post in in what he "percieved" PS3 had over Xbox 360. That post alone sent the thread spiraling downwards.

 

[rabidrabbit]

With two HDMI it is possible to put the another screen in another room completely.
Yes, you'd probably need several meters of HDMI cable running and that would be somewhat problematic, but those who see the benefit of that I'm sure are willing to invest that little bit of extra work. Or maybe there will be some wireless solution to that also, but I doubt it would be HD anymore if the signal was transmitted wirelessly. It is possible to transmit composite video signals already wirelessly, not sure about higher quality video though... anyone know better??

Why would one want to put the other screen in completely separate room that the PS3 is?... What about if the family would like to watch a HD movie or play PS3 game in the home theatre room while in another room it would be possible to surf the net or use some other function that does not need the Blu-ray slot to be free.
I'm sure the PS3 will be able to multitask to certain extents without noticeable performance drops.

With wireless controlles and possibly wireless keyboard and mouse it would be quite possible without the PS3 being in the same room.

I think that would be the biggest attraction for being able to use two displays at once connected to one machine.

 

[Bjorn]

With two HDMI it is possible to put the another screen in another room completely.

Or connect the PS3 to the TV and projector, same room, same time. Not because i want to use them at the same time, but switching cables is a big no no. Other solutions would be external splitters and such and they're expensive afaik.

 

[Tap In]

Isn't the latest analyst (read: Company Outsourced Spokesman) rumour stating that the xbox360 will ship with two version; one with hard disk and other accessories like extra controller, and the other a basic console with one wired controller and no hd?

I believe that's what is going to happen, in that case the hd being an advantage over Sony's addon hd becomes nul.

not going to happen.

BTW, that's not what the analyst said. He never said the base SKU would ship w/o a HDD. He said the upgraded SKU would. I infer that to mean the HDD is base and the upgrade (value pack) is a larger HDD or it was redundant.

Base system comes with HDD *IF* a 2nd SKU becomes available it will most likely include upgraded HDD and other peripherals.

 

[BlueTsunami]

With two HDMI it is possible to put the another screen in another room completely.
Yes, you'd probably need several meters of HDMI cable running and that would be somewhat problematic, but those who see the benefit of that I'm sure are willing to invest that little bit of extra work. Or maybe there will be some wireless solution to that also, but I doubt it would be HD anymore if the signal was transmitted wirelessly. It is possible to transmit composite video signals already wirelessly, not sure about higher quality video though... anyone know better??

Why would one want to put the other screen in completely separate room that the PS3 is?... What about if the family would like to watch a HD movie or play PS3 game in the home theatre room while in another room it would be possible to surf the net or use some other function that does not need the Blu-ray slot to be free.
I'm sure the PS3 will be able to multitask to certain extents without noticeable performance drops.

With wireless controlles and possibly wireless keyboard and mouse it would be quite possible without the PS3 being in the same room.

I think that would be the biggest attraction for being able to use two displays at once connected to one machine.

I was reading the official HDMI site and it was stated that the max cable length for HDMI is 15 Meters and that length is growing due to better cabling technology. That is an attractive idea, although you would really have to position everything correctly for it to be practible. The point is though, is we have the choice to use it or not...its not being stuffed down our throats....its just there...if we want to use it..then go ahead...if not, then hey..its no problem...

Thing is...the people who think its useless, want it erradicated from the console altogether...which isn't right because there ARE people that will find uses for it.

Finally....how the hell do you find how much it cost to manufacture something. I'm currently trying to find out how much it would cost to make (manufacture the physical port) a single HDMI port....but nothing...are these like trade secrets or something?

 

[rabidrabbit]

Or connect the PS3 to the TV and projector, same room, same time. Not because i want to use them at the same time, but switching cables is a big no no. Other solutions would be external splitters and such and they're expensive afaik.

Well, that too, but it's not as comfortable as if the screens were in separate rooms because then they disturb each other. Unless the main function is that you'd be able to view HD films from big screen via projector and play games mostly from a smaller flat screen TV to conserve the projector lamp.

But for that I'd wait for a HDMI capable AV receiver through which I would be able to route my HDMI devices, too bad there's none available or even announced yet as far as I know.
...wait.. is are the HDMI ports just "OUT" ports? Could it be possible to connect some another HDMI device to PS3 and thus use it for routing two HDMI devices (PS3 and for example a HDMI DVD player) to a screen that only has one HDMI input?
Like many EU DVD players have two rgb SCART connectors (in and out) so you can use two rgb SCART devices even if your TV only has one rgb SCART input, as most TV's still have.

That would be great and well thought of by Sony.

And wasn't there some rumour going a long time ago that the PS3 wouold be able to function as some kinfd of image processor for other video devices, so that you could connect non HD devices to it and it would "upconvert" them or use some "image enhancement" settings.