So which is more future proof?
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Titanio said:
They come in the box, unlike your dual monitor support, which is incomplete until you buy extra cables.
Longer, perhaps. More expensive? I'm willing to bet you could get the wifi adapter, any extra cables you might need, a rechargable battery for your controller, and the recharging wire for less than the PS3 hard drive.
And ironically, despite all of this "future proofing" you'll still need to buy a good old fashioned memory stick for your PS3.
My point is you were very quick to point out how irrelevent the level of shader support is because it is a console, and my point is, the peripheral support is equally irrelevent, for the same reason. Both consoles can connect to any type of game controller (Gamepad, wheel, joystick, etc...) and anything beyond that is the domain of PC's, not game consoles.
What's old fashioned about memstick/SD card/CF? Today most ppl have a digital camera or a cellphone (miniSD + $5 SD adapter if you need it), those flash memory standards will be here to stay for those gadgets. OTOH Xbox 360 proprietary memory unit is old-fashioned, if you ask me. OK you won't buy a memory unit for saving games as you have a 20gig HDD bundled? Then those mem unit slots in Xbox 360 are complete waste of money.Powderkeg said:
How is bluray futureproofing .
Bluray is future gambling .
If the standard fails in light of hd-dvd then it didn't future proof anything .It actually hurts it more and creates a loosing investment from those who bought bluray movies .
Anyway there really is no such thing as futureproofing . How can anything be future proof when they are made from parts of that year .
How can wifi be future proof when in the next 2-3 years we are sure to see a new standard over g ?
Its simply not possible .
Bluray is future gambling .
If the standard fails in light of hd-dvd then it didn't future proof anything .It actually hurts it more and creates a loosing investment from those who bought bluray movies .
Anyway there really is no such thing as futureproofing . How can anything be future proof when they are made from parts of that year .
How can wifi be future proof when in the next 2-3 years we are sure to see a new standard over g ?
Its simply not possible .
jvd said:
I completely disagree. The PS3 is something the HD-DVD camp doesn't have: a mass-market machine with a brand that already has an established base of millions of customers. By the time HD-DVD players hit the market, there's potential to be millions of Blu-ray players already in people's homes.
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Since the HD is detachable..ya they pretty much are.
How did this turn into a argument about which system has more features? None of these have anything to do with future-proofing.
The argunment you will use the same memory card for your camera as game saves is pretty weak. Sorry, I want a dedicated memory card that sits in my console and never leaves. I don't want to be running around looking for my gamesaves, or realize I forgot my camera at my GF's and now I can't play games. I mean seriously.
How many game saves can fit on the measly 128mb you might get for $50? To get a decent size card you're lookin at $70-100, might as well buy the HD at that point!
I appreciate all the cool things Sony threw into the PS3, but the fact I still will need to buy a memory card completely negates pretty much everything.
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how is that a "future-proof" feature? software services can be implemented anytime anywhere down the road... But hardware features have to be "born" with the console, and these are the ones that matter to this topic subject.
2 different things you are talking about.
software is software.
Anytime soon you are gonna start speaking of how X360 games make it Future Proof. But Ps3 ones dont?
so X360 has XBL, that makes it impossible to Sony make a good one too? no!.... so lets stick to the hardware side of things because they never change and software does.
serenity said:Posting "PS3 v Xbox360" features, I bet he is.
Anybody notice he conveniently ignores XBL in that list, typical Titanio.
how is that a "future-proof" feature? software services can be implemented anytime anywhere down the road... But hardware features have to be "born" with the console, and these are the ones that matter to this topic subject.
2 different things you are talking about.
software is software.
Anytime soon you are gonna start speaking of how X360 games make it Future Proof. But Ps3 ones dont?
so X360 has XBL, that makes it impossible to Sony make a good one too? no!.... so lets stick to the hardware side of things
because they never change and software does.How is bd privacy proof ?
You don't seriously think games are going to be more than 7.4 off the bat do u ? I would expect both to be quickly hacked .
Not to mention that if bluray fails as the next movie standard costs of the drive and media will drop much much slower causing a more expensive product for the consumer to purchase .
All of which last time i check are relevent to consumers
You don't seriously think games are going to be more than 7.4 off the bat do u ? I would expect both to be quickly hacked .
Not to mention that if bluray fails as the next movie standard costs of the drive and media will drop much much slower causing a more expensive product for the consumer to purchase .
All of which last time i check are relevent to consumers
That's your view, so I don't necessarily have an opinion about it. That said, if you have many gadgets including PSP, there'll be occasions you'd like to exchange data between them, be it save data or photo taken by cellphone camera. Like downloading things by PSP at a hotspot and using it on PS3. Without setting up a network you can achieve that. Now, you don't buy Xbox 360 memory unit, and carry a 2.5inch HDD that may not be shock-proof to your friend's house...scooby_dooby said:
Sorry the prices for flash memory are dropping down faster than HDD. You can buy 512MB SanDisk memstick pro duo for $59.99 @ Amazon.com today...scooby_dooby said:
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I don't see how blu-ray is piracy proof, the games can still be ripped, and then downloaded.
if a game tries to use Dummy data to push the filesize up, the modders will just strip those dummy files out before it is put up for download. if it's truly too big for DVD then it probably wouldn't be pirated, unless the HDD sell enough units to spurn some quality homebrew software, then you might see games being installed on the HDD, and they could be transferred by gigabit ethernet.
it might slow down the rate at which games are pirated though, as very few people would have the readers. but for the most part I doubt it's an issue, for the first couple of years the games will not be bigger than 7.4GB, after that blu-ray readers will probably be pretty common.
if a game tries to use Dummy data to push the filesize up, the modders will just strip those dummy files out before it is put up for download. if it's truly too big for DVD then it probably wouldn't be pirated, unless the HDD sell enough units to spurn some quality homebrew software, then you might see games being installed on the HDD, and they could be transferred by gigabit ethernet.
it might slow down the rate at which games are pirated though, as very few people would have the readers. but for the most part I doubt it's an issue, for the first couple of years the games will not be bigger than 7.4GB, after that blu-ray readers will probably be pretty common.
jvd said:
I'm starting to understand how things are around here. Everything is about " what if goes wrong? what if that fails?"
Look, prices drop anyway.... we are not talking about a standard video player with an unknown format that may or may not sell.
This is PS3, it will sell tens of millions and that fact alone will make prices drop anyway. On top of that, it has half hollywood support in movies. And that means even more BLuray players sold. The chances for sucess are huge...
This is not a "what if things go wrong?" subject, it will go Ok and prices will drop.
Man, if we were talking about Phantom console featuring an unknown Bluray i would understand the worries. But not with PS3
where do you save the stuff you sent to the ps3 ?
Anyway I also don't see why you can't connect freely to the xbox 360 through a hot spot . I hook up at panera bread and send pictures from my camera to my tv at home witho ut needed a network. My pc just has to be connected to the internet .
WHich is what your ps3 will have to be too .
so what you need 40 512 meg sticks to get to the same as the free 20 gig hardrive in the xbox 360 . Last i check that is just shy of 2400$ if we go for the 1 gigs which are around 100$ or so last i check that would still be 2000ish .
Don't really see it falling faster or cheaper than a hardrive . I would imagine both the xbox 360 and ps3 the hardrives would be much cheaper than that . I'm expecting the 60gig drives for both to be 100$ or less and these are 2.5 inch drives . Memory cards wont compete with hardrives for a very long time .
Of course its much easier to carry though and that is the trade off
What is wrong with that . Its a valid point and just as valid as if the dvd space is a problem question .
Bluray is up against hd-dvd . It can very well fail . Its part of the future and thus what we are talking about .
if bluray players fail less companys will make bluray drives and media . Which means the prices will drop slower , there will be less supply and of course the pressing fabs that remain open for disc creation will charge more as there is now more of a demand on them .
Yes bluray will continue to drop. Just much slower . Which affects end users . Games will be more costly to make which affects end users .
its about futureproofing . So if bluray fails against hd-dvd which is going to fight with it in the near future (heck it will start before ps3 is even released) then how can it be futue proof when there can be 1 or 2 outcomes and one of them is the failure of the tech ? That certianly woulnd't be future proof .
anyway that is the last i will say on the subject . You can't future proof something when u use parts that have an unknown future .Because in 2007 bluray may be a niche product made for the ps3 only and thus not a futureproof object. It would have actually impacted consumers negativly and is the complete oppisite of future proofing for the people
i understand the worries....
but i have to admit, bluray stands alot more chances than Hd-dvd by the time millions of ps3's are sold.
Its lot being Fªnboy or whatever, i dont even have consoles, but its a very clear thing to see.
Dealers want to sell their products in the platform that reaches more clients.. i would be lying if i say PS3 does not boost this fact by a huge magnitude. And i see Hd-DVD without this kind of media boosting it. Its like one guy has shoes to run in a marathone, and the other guy doesn't...
its like choosing a girl with a twin sister, i would go the one with rich friends...
lol ok, no need to a second methafore about girls...
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but i have to admit, bluray stands alot more chances than Hd-dvd by the time millions of ps3's are sold.
Its lot being Fªnboy or whatever, i dont even have consoles, but its a very clear thing to see.
Dealers want to sell their products in the platform that reaches more clients.. i would be lying if i say PS3 does not boost this fact by a huge magnitude. And i see Hd-DVD without this kind of media boosting it. Its like one guy has shoes to run in a marathone, and the other guy doesn't...
its like choosing a girl with a twin sister, i would go the one with rich friends...
lol ok, no need to a second methafore about girls...
Edit: fªnboy word is does not appear.
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that is not the point .
THe point is about futurepoofing .
Many consumers will buy the platform with the media they want on it . So while bluray can be the better tech . If the movies people want to see are on hd-dvd then they will simply buy it . No matter the fact that bluray holds more data .
Same goes on the pc . If hd-dvd drives cost less and the discs cost less it may not matter that bluray holds more data . You may be able to buy a hd-dvd rom for back up for cheaper than a bluray disc . IT may come to the point like it was at the start of the dvd rw drives .
Dvds held much more than a cd . But you could buy a 100 pack of cds for the price of a 10 pack of dvds . Which was better in the end . Perhaps hd-dvd blanks would be 3 to 1 for the cost of bluray .
The future holds many things . NOne of which we know and thus a drive that has 1 of 2 oucomes can't be a futureproofing measure . Future poofing would be like putting in usb2.0 connectors . As we know going foward that will be the standard .
THe point is about futurepoofing .
Many consumers will buy the platform with the media they want on it . So while bluray can be the better tech . If the movies people want to see are on hd-dvd then they will simply buy it . No matter the fact that bluray holds more data .
Same goes on the pc . If hd-dvd drives cost less and the discs cost less it may not matter that bluray holds more data . You may be able to buy a hd-dvd rom for back up for cheaper than a bluray disc . IT may come to the point like it was at the start of the dvd rw drives .
Dvds held much more than a cd . But you could buy a 100 pack of cds for the price of a 10 pack of dvds . Which was better in the end . Perhaps hd-dvd blanks would be 3 to 1 for the cost of bluray .
The future holds many things . NOne of which we know and thus a drive that has 1 of 2 oucomes can't be a futureproofing measure . Future poofing would be like putting in usb2.0 connectors . As we know going foward that will be the standard .
XBL makes it future proof. If you buy one console, you are assured that you can game online for 1 year from the get-go, you can subcribe again if you wish to. But the service is guaranteed to be there, the service is an extension of the console much like PR from both sides; "Its more than just a console".dskneo said:hi
how is that a "future-proof" feature? software services can be implemented anytime anywhere down the road... But hardware features have to be "born" with the console, and these are the ones that matter to this topic subject.
2 different things you are talking about.
software is software.
Anytime soon you are gonna start speaking of how X360 games make it Future Proof. But Ps3 ones dont?
so X360 has XBL, that makes it impossible to Sony make a good one too? no!.... so lets stick to the hardware side of things
As for Sony getting it right, there is a good change they might. But the possibility of them surpassing XBL is nada much like Hyundai coming to NA and surpassing Toyota within their first year.
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