So, do we know anything about RV670 yet?

Wddm 2.1?

In 2006 there were talks about WDDM, version 2.0 came with Vista and DX10. These talks also mentioned WDDM 2.1, coming with DX10.1, and the benefits it should bring. For example:

Since then it's absolute silence on the matter. What happened? Does WDDM 2.1 still exist? Does it contain main features outlined above? Does it come with DX10.1? Is Windows Media Player enchanced to be more "glitch-resilient"? Etc.

 

I'm not speaking for NVIDIA's CFO here, so I don't know exactly how margins are accounted for, but I would expect that the cost of a chip is determined based on the cost of the wafer and the *overall* wafer yield. So high-end bins would kinda sorta have artificially high margins, and low-end SKUs would have artificially low margins.

I don't know for sure if that is the case, but if so, it makes the margins easy to explain: overall G92 margins will be lower once cheaper SKUs based on it come out, since their costs will be identical but their ASPs will be lower. In roughly the same way, you'd expect the higher-end G92 SKUs to have a positive impact on margins, but they'd be lower volume.

I wouldn't expect lower-end G92 SKUs in Q4, so 50-55% margins doesn't seem impossible to me for the 8800GT assuming yields and costs are calculated as I would expect, and if they're blending in the 8800GTS in there it should be even easier. On the other hand, Q1/Q2 G92 margins would presumably be lower due to <=6C SKUs, assuming these do happen (and I'd be surprised if there was a distinct chip for 192-bit, so!)

Of course, this is all speculation in order to explain NVIDIA's financial claims. If you have *clear* evidence that these claims are false however, or that any of my above assumptions is flawed (and "I don't believe it!" doesn't count), then I'd love to be corrected.

 

This guy got his card a day early. Lucky bastardo!
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17803403

He's gonna post some benchmarks soon.

 

Wavey, capability is useless if it's not implemented. Unless ATi plans to release a "Chuck patch" for every DX10 game on the market then it will remain simply a checklist feature. We all know devs aren't going to go out of their way to make anything work on ATi hardware.

So that'd be a "checklist feature only" then, eh?

 

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=703&p=0

Was that one posted already?

 

Um, why did they use 7.9 drivers for the 3870?

No OC results
Also the 3870 HS is nothing like the HS on the 2900 which would explain the temps

 

Biased review?

 

I'll wait for TR's & Xbit's reviews before I make any conclusions. Legion ain't exactly at the top of my "trusted sites" list.

 

If ATI/AMD claimed that 3870 will be 10% faster than 2900XT, possible promise will come true in Catalyst 7.11 driver.

Don't care about what Catalyst 7.9 show for 3870.

 

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/AMD_Radeon_HD3850_and_HD3870_-_AMD's_salvation?/5392.html
EDIT:
Looks like the 512bit membus for 2900XT was there for a reason, after all

EDIT2:
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1222/1/page_1_introduction/index.html

a lot better results than vr-zone, for what i could quickly check

 

Results in 4 out of the 6 biggest wins for the 8800GT over the 2900xt are not consistent with other reviews.

WIC, Crysis, Bioshock and to a lesser extent Quake Wars (tested in High which seems to favor G92 whereas max is almost as perf) are the ones I found to be quite different.

 

Read and discuss!

 

Clueless. e.g. "appears to contain a just-in-time (JIT) compiler that dynamically translates the code for either x86 or CUDA".

Oh dear.

Jawed

 

The most interesting bit from that review:

Answers a question asked numerous times in this thread.

 

Nice image 'comparision' there!..
C'mon, guys, that's not even weak, it's appalling.

 

What, you mean comparing pics taken at different distances from the object of interest isn't valid?It's not like these games have a LOD system in place or anything...and we all know nV are the cheatorrrrzzzz, so...

 

It's not just distances, it's the camera angle also.
Someone is trying a little bit too hard to make 3870 look better than it really is...

 

They're for sale and available at NCIX...

Radeon HD 3850 for $189.99 CA

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26984&vpn=3850PE3256SB&manufacture=Nci%20Internal%20Use%20Only

Radeon HD 3870 for $ 239.99 CA

http://www.ncix.com/products/productdetail2.php?noheader=1&sku=26983

 

I wonder how those Canadian prices will translate, but thats cheaper than all the GTs they have listed on site ($260-305).

 

On NCIXUS the 3850 is $196.30 and the 3870 is $246.52 US dollars.

http://www.ncixus.com/products/26984/3850PE3256SB/Nci%20Internal%20Use%20Only/

http://www.ncixus.com/products/26983/3870PE4512SB/Diamond/