So, do we know anything about RV670 yet?

Pre-release prices...

Found a few places that list the HD 3870... Prices vary from $268 to $275. Hopefully prices will end up less than that if performance doesn't match the 8800GT.

Buy.com
BLT
 
Link? I see a mildly overclocked one for $289 and a stock for $272. Why would I (or anyone else) spend time looking hard for a more expensive one? :rolleyes: :p
 
Link? I see a mildly overclocked one for $289 and a stock for $272. Why would I (or anyone else) spend time looking hard for a more expensive one? :rolleyes: :p

then why are you asking for a link?

Seems to me you just wanted to suggest I was wrong, only to be disappointed. The whole point I was making is that the price range isn't all that meaningful until we see the product.
 
Why would I (or anyone else) spend time looking hard for a more expensive one? :rolleyes: :p

Good question. It's like asking why anyone would look for the price of the 3850/3750 at the shops that price them a week or more before they go on sale, when the past has shown this to most likely not to represent retail pricing at launch, or closely post-launch? They're almost always jacked 15-25%, or in the case of the 8800gt in it's unique situation, even more.

Still think it's going to be approx $150, $170-180, and $200-225 pricing for the cards respectfully (as noted by a ocuk member). Depending on the low-end price of the 3870 and how long it takes for the price of the 8800gt to settle, that's going to make the 3850 512 a great deal. Hope the price of the rv670 cards don't stay proportionally jacked up until 8800gt can meet supply...That would suck, but make economic sense on ATi, the AIB, and the resellers' part.

BTW: That is an absurdly priced GT....Yet it's sold out. Go figure.

You'd think they would've bought this one first, it's a much better deal. :D
 
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then why are you asking for a link?

Seems to me you just wanted to suggest I was wrong, only to be disappointed. The whole point I was making is that the price range isn't all that meaningful until we see the product.

Haha, ego much?

This isn't about you being wrong (which you are btw). There are two SKU's in stock for < $300. Yet you assert that the "correct" price is $377 for one SKU that is out of stock. Maybe it makes sense to you....

Edit: actually they are all out of stock. Nevermind :) Point still stands though!
 
BTW: That is an absurdly priced GT....Yet it's sold out. Go figure.

Yeah it's kinda weird. That product page doesn't look completely fleshed out so maybe they didn't sell any of them. Gotta be a special kind of enthusiast to buy a $377 GT.
 
Haha, ego much?

This isn't about you being wrong (which you are btw). There are two SKU's in stock for < $300. Yet you assert that the "correct" price is $377 for one SKU that is out of stock. Maybe it makes sense to you....

Edit: actually they are all out of stock. Nevermind :) Point still stands though!

I said they had one listed for $377, its there. If you were trying to make some point, you damn well failed.

and welcome to ignore.
 
I said they had one listed for $377, its there. If you were trying to make some point, you damn well failed.

and welcome to ignore.

Heh, do I know you from some other forum under another name or something? You are really strange....

Anyway, the topic was a price comparison so I figured the much more reasonable sub $300 price points available on buy.com were fair game. Sorry if I hindered your need to "win" some non-existing argument.
 

Yeah, for in-store. I'm sure I could go down to my local BB and buy one, but who does that? B&M is so passe', or rather the B3D word of choice; blase. :p

To me, or perhaps the common geek, the phrase "in stock" means available at a common online store where everyone around country/world who actually gives a shit have to fight over the same supply! :D


@Trin - Rise above, my friend.
 
Haha, ego much?

This isn't about you being wrong (which you are btw). There are two SKU's in stock for < $300. Yet you assert that the "correct" price is $377 for one SKU that is out of stock. Maybe it makes sense to you....

Edit: actually they are all out of stock. Nevermind :) Point still stands though!


I think the point he is trying to make is that it´s not possible to take any conclusion from price comparisons yet. In the same way there are $272 to $377 8800gt´s, it´s possible to think of $277 (as it´s listed) HD3870 to lower prices in the $200 range. I will just comment about prices of the new cards after I see real performance and the prices of different places and manufacturers.
 
I think the point he is trying to make is that it´s not possible to take any conclusion from price comparisons yet. In the same way there are $272 to $377 8800gt´s, it´s possible to think of $277 (as it´s listed) HD3870 to lower prices in the $200 range. I will just comment about prices of the new cards after I see real performance and the prices of different places and manufacturers.

Good point (explanation) and good call.

Yeah, you actually see 8800gt's out there priced at $220-240, but I've yet to ever see one in stock (past the launch). I imagine that's the actual MSRP price of the cards, and we've yet to see that for the 3800's. If you figure the avg GT is jacked ~$50-60+ because of supply at the big e-tailers, it's not absurd to figure the 3850/3870's are jacked up the same because of current price uncertainty, as they are currently listed at $225/275 from US retailers, if not more because of being listed pre-release.
 
Hmm, is that a bug with the 8800 GT that the min framerate is less than 1 fps? Also that it varies from ~12 fps on one run to ~16 FPS on another run.

The 3870 on the other hand stays ~14 FPS though all the runs and it's min and max FPS don't vary as drastically from the average FPS.

8800 GT
Min - 0.40 ??? on all runs
Average - 12.52 to 16.78 depending on the timedemo.
Max - 31.43 on all runs

3870
Min - 9.13 on all runs
Average - 14.20 to 14.77 depending on the timedemo.
Max - 17.42 to 18.05 depending on the timedemo.

I mean, what the heck is going on? If that's a reflection of actual 8800 GT performance (something I find hard to believe), that would mean the 3870 is significantly more playable (if you call those avg framerates playable that is). :p

Bleh, can't wait to see real reviews so we can know whether this was just user error on benchmarking or something.

As to price the HD 3870 is "supposed" to be 200-230 retail. So I'm just guessing that this is the typical gouge new card buyer price as usual. And that on launch day there will be a handful that price at retail with more to follow in 2-3 weeks as supply stabilizes.

Regards,
SB
 
Hmm, is that a bug with the 8800 GT that the min framerate is less than 1 fps? Also that it varies from ~12 fps on one run to ~16 FPS on another run.

The 3870 on the other hand stays ~14 FPS though all the runs and it's min and max FPS don't vary as drastically from the average FPS.

8800 GT
Min - 0.40 ??? on all runs
Average - 12.52 to 16.78 depending on the timedemo.
Max - 31.43 on all runs

3870
Min - 9.13 on all runs
Average - 14.20 to 14.77 depending on the timedemo.
Max - 17.42 to 18.05 depending on the timedemo.

I mean, what the heck is going on? If that's a reflection of actual 8800 GT performance (something I find hard to believe), that would mean the 3870 is significantly more playable (if you call those avg framerates playable that is). :p

Bleh, can't wait to see real reviews so we can know whether this was just user error on benchmarking or something.

As to price the HD 3870 is "supposed" to be 200-230 retail. So I'm just guessing that this is the typical gouge new card buyer price as usual. And that on launch day there will be a handful that price at retail with more to follow in 2-3 weeks as supply stabilizes.

Regards,
SB

Without actual seeing a video its very hard to know whats going on. Looking at those numbers I'd almost get the impression that the GT is stalling in places and not rendering properly in others.
 
I think the point he is trying to make is that it´s not possible to take any conclusion from price comparisons yet. In the same way there are $272 to $377 8800gt´s, it´s possible to think of $277 (as it´s listed) HD3870 to lower prices in the $200 range. I will just comment about prices of the new cards after I see real performance and the prices of different places and manufacturers.

Oh so that's all he was trying to say? Now that makes sense but now I'm even more confused by his hostile response to my pointing out the other two cards.....oh well....
 
As far as the results go. Its pretty clear you cant form any conclusion based upon the lack of data given.
 
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