Shadow of the colossus and framerate issues

[ihamoitc2005]

Collossus and Bias

EGM and OPM reviewed the game. OPM didn't mention about any glitches but EGM did. Saying it had tons of techical issues and ever present slowdown. I've read EGM over the years and they are known for bias toward xbox and gamecube, so i take them with a grain of salt. Recently, previews stated that the new build they received had improved framerate and lod. So who do i believe? I know not to trust EGM.

All I have read of latest build is that no frame-rate problems remain. Should be quite amazing game.

As for bias, it is true that there is bias in media but that will always be true in any field. I have not seen PVC forum so I cannot talk about it but on gamespot I noticed that certain games have reduced resolution or color depth but so far I have not seen that for xbox games. I do not know if this is coincidence or bias but worth mentioning.

But it should also be said that sometimes even PS2 or GameCube fans might assume they have much inferior console just because of successful marketing by Microsoft which had many inaccuracies. So bias is often just because of hype not real allegiance to one group or another.

What is link for PVC forum? Many statements that it is very biased makes me very curious to see.

Back to collossus, I am very much looking forward to it. Should be very exciting.

 

[ihamoitc2005]

Mistake

All I have read of latest build is that no frame-rate problems remain. Should be quite amazing game.

As for bias, it is true that there is bias in media but that will always be true in any field. I have not seen PVC forum so I cannot talk about it but on gamespot I noticed that certain games have reduced resolution or color depth but so far I have not seen that for xbox games. I do not know if this is coincidence or bias but worth mentioning.

But it should also be said that sometimes even PS2 or GameCube fans might assume they have much inferior console just because of successful marketing by Microsoft which had many inaccuracies. So bias is often just because of hype not real allegiance to one group or another.

What is link for PVC forum? Many statements that it is very biased makes me very curious to see.

Back to collossus, I am very much looking forward to it. Should be very exciting.

About Gamespot reduced resolution or color depth, I was refering to screenshots.

 

[Mefisutoferesu]

Ah. I'm sorry, I didn't think some people haven't used rapidshare.

Alright, click the link. Then click the button 'FREE' near the bottom of the page. Then a little counter will appear near the bottom after it runs out (about 30 seconds or so). Then a link to the file will appear. Click and download.

Sorry, about that.

 

[joe75]

What is link for PVC forum? Many statements that it is very biased makes me very curious to see.

.

www.pcvsconsole.com


chairmansteve /admin of PVC/



September 26, 2005 - 12:19:21am CST (edit: 9/26/05 - 12:25am)



These are the official next generation philosophies.

Sony
Tell lies. Treat consumers like morons. Trash talk the competition. Design hardware that impresses idiots with inflated numbers and silly names like Emotion Engine™ and The Cell®. Laugh while the Zombies run around the net spreading the Sony Disease.

Microsoft
Design software tools, hardware, and services (GUI, Live, Media) to function great together and help developers create awesome games.

Nintendo
Design game ideas and build the hardware to realize those game ideas.


.
.

Proof that PS3 is Incredibly Flawed Design
Why we will never see RSX in a real PS3.
Kutaragi is the World's Greatest Comedian
PSP Now Dead in Japan
God of War is for Sick People
Stage Set for Sony Exit from Gaming?

.
.


"I contend that most PS3 games will be Vista ports.

But further I suspect that Sony's less favorable console terms and its financial woes will still mean that a ported Vista game will cost more on PS3. In that way Sony will profit from XNA and the work that is made much easier on Vista. But that profit will come at greater expense to consumer and developer.

I suspect this means that good games will come first and be released first on 360. Further Sony will try to justify the cost increase with PS3 mystique. But that will be a hard sell cause it won't be as smart, its graphics won't be as good, and its disk and memory subsystems will be slower. Maybe it will predicated on the sound? Maybe some imperceptible advantage will be claimed."

... its really full of dicks /amlunmimnulma,pjbliverpool,chrome/

 

[ihamoitc2005]

Thank you, I will read.

www.pcvsconsole.com


chairmansteve /admin of PVC/



September 26, 2005 - 12:19:21am CST (edit: 9/26/05 - 12:25am)



These are the official next generation philosophies.

Sony
Tell lies. Treat consumers like morons. Trash talk the competition. Design hardware that impresses idiots with inflated numbers and silly names like Emotion Engine™ and The Cell®. Laugh while the Zombies run around the net spreading the Sony Disease.

Microsoft
Design software tools, hardware, and services (GUI, Live, Media) to function great together and help developers create awesome games.

Nintendo
Design game ideas and build the hardware to realize those game ideas.


.
.

Proof that PS3 is Incredibly Flawed Design
Why we will never see RSX in a real PS3.
Kutaragi is the World's Greatest Comedian
PSP Now Dead in Japan
God of War is for Sick People
Stage Set for Sony Exit from Gaming?

.
.


"I contend that most PS3 games will be Vista ports.

But further I suspect that Sony's less favorable console terms and its financial woes will still mean that a ported Vista game will cost more on PS3. In that way Sony will profit from XNA and the work that is made much easier on Vista. But that profit will come at greater expense to consumer and developer.

I suspect this means that good games will come first and be released first on 360. Further Sony will try to justify the cost increase with PS3 mystique. But that will be a hard sell cause it won't be as smart, its graphics won't be as good, and its disk and memory subsystems will be slower. Maybe it will predicated on the sound? Maybe some imperceptible advantage will be claimed."

... its really full of dicks /amlunmimnulma,pjbliverpool,chrome/

Thank you for the link and details. I will go read their forum. From what you have posted statements by members of beyond3d that PVC forum is biased seems very justified. I am shocked that administrator of a forum would say such things. Beyond3d members are fortunate to have better administrators no?

 

[joe75]

Thank you for the link and details. I will go read their forum. From what you have posted statements by members of beyond3d that PVC forum is biased seems very justified. I am shocked that administrator of a forum would say such things. Beyond3d members are fortunate to have better administrators no?

It's a shame, the rules change not the game
Such a shame, It's the same
Now everything is in vain
All in vain, it's such a shame

... as I said its full of dicks,back to the topic.

 

[pixelbox]

gamespot and collossus

All I have read of latest build is that no frame-rate problems remain. Should be quite amazing game.

As for bias, it is true that there is bias in media but that will always be true in any field. I have not seen PVC forum so I cannot talk about it but on gamespot I noticed that certain games have reduced resolution or color depth but so far I have not seen that for xbox games. I do not know if this is coincidence or bias but worth mentioning.

As you can see, PVC is disgusting. There's no good way of putting it. I tried to set things right there and many times i shut them up, But because of my lack of knowledge in hardware, i couldn't back somethings up. See, software, graphic procedure, is my field and it wasn't enough there. Anyway, about gamespot, they had the balls to say that there's slowdown in god of war. Granted, their bias isn't really bad, it's still annoying. Back on topic, i've been waiting for collossus since 2000. ever since tomb raider, btw is my favorate series, flopped i needed an action adventure on ps2. And year after year pasted and left me disapointed until i heard of collossus. i don't need slowdown or a bad l.o.d program hindering this game

 

[pixelbox]

... as I said its full of dicks,back to the topic.

yea, i remember you. you were the alleged sony zombie...

 

[joe75]

yea, i remember you. you were the alleged sony zombie...

http://ps2dev.org/ps2/Tutorials/TUTORIAL_5:_Advanced_Perfomance_tips/Normal_Mapping_Tutorial_by_Morten_'Sparky'_Mikkelsen

... banned coz I did proved /a year before/ that the PS2 can handle a normal mapped surface.

 

[pixelbox]

http://ps2dev.org/ps2/Tutorials/TUTORIAL_5:_Advanced_Perfomance_tips/Normal_Mapping_Tutorial_by_Morten_'Sparky'_Mikkelsen

... banned coz I did proved /a year before/ that the PS2 can handle a normal mapped surface.

i just walked away, they spoke too much nonsense. my name was pipeline16. btw where did you get those pictures?

 

[joe75]

i just walked away, they spoke too much nonsense. my name was pipeline16. btw where did you get those pictures?

... yes,I remember you.

http://hanamushi.under.jp/game/omake.htm
... enjoy /ICO1,ICO2,MARIO and ZELDA images,chmm/

 

[ihamoitc2005]

Propoganda

As you can see, PVC is disgusting. There's no good way of putting it.

I have read it and it looks like propoganda site. Seems anti-sony post is considered good anti-ms post is considered bad. There have been rumors that ad/marketing companies hired by some big companies pay fee to certain forum/blogs for propoganda gains. I do not know if true for PVC but behavior makes one suspicious no?

Is colossus 480P widescreen? 30fps or 60fps? Wonderful music and art style.

 

[KOF]

PVC? oi

Haha, as an early regular of PVC, (the community goes all the way from Sharky Extreme forum) I can attest to their mediocricy journalism. Yes, the forum administrator chases insulting after anyone who puts any light to anything Sony and Playstation. The name "PC vs. Console" is a misnomer as anyone not accepting PC's superiority over consoles gets ridiculed and flamed. The only people worth having a good discussions were Kolgar and Ozymandis. The place has become a joke quite long ago. If you wish to get insulted and play along with folks who make ass of themselves, go ahead. but if it's impartial and serious discussions you want, like here, (even better now its officially Vince free) look elsewhere.

Wanda & Colossus may be a game that I might have to buy a Playstation2 for. and now Phantasy Star Universe has sealed the deal for me. =o The demo is already 480P. And I did hear 16:9 is confirmed.

 

[drpepper]

Hi guys, long time reader, first time poster.

I too like to share my enthusiasm of Shadow of the Colossus. I've been playing that TGS 05 and Kikizo trailer over and over just to listen to the soundtrack.

I unfortunately never played Ico (it's extremely hard to find it on sale here, new or used) so this will be my first playing a game from the same team. The game looks amazing, reminds me of the old Zelda days. Riding the horse in a vast countryside.

It is too bad the soundtrack comes out the 7th of December! Why so long after the game's release?

Anyways, if you want biased, Joystiq.com is heavily populated with Xbox gamers. Mods are okay but you still feel like an outcast if you mention anything playstation related. I get flamed correcting people that it was Toshiba that released the hair saloon demo on CELL and not Sony. Yeesh!

 

[pixelbox]

Is colossus 480P widescreen? 30fps or 60fps? Wonderful music and art style.

Yea, i can't say much about that sute without getting angry. But propoganda could very well be the cause. that never even crossed my mind.

Colossus runs both 480p and widescreen. current framerate is locked at 30fps.

 

[pixelbox]

Haha, as an early regular of PVC, (the community goes all the way from Sharky Extreme forum) I can attest to their mediocricy journalism. Yes, the forum administrator chases insulting after anyone who puts any light to anything Sony and Playstation. The name "PC vs. Console" is a misnomer as anyone not accepting PC's superiority over consoles gets ridiculed and flamed. The only people worth having a good discussions were Kolgar and Ozymandis. The place has become a joke quite long ago. If you wish to get insulted and play along with folks who make ass of themselves, go ahead. but if it's impartial and serious discussions you want, like here, (even better now its officially Vince free) look elsewhere.

Wanda & Colossus may be a game that I might have to buy a Playstation2 for. and now Phantasy Star Universe has sealed the deal for me. =o The demo is already 480P. And I did hear 16:9 is confirmed.

i visited there to aquier info on bump mapping. at the time i didn't understand how it worked. anyway, there was a ps2 game that used it, and when i asked where was it in the game, i got flamed. changing thread names and what not, i just couldn't take it. it was complete craziness there. and the only thing that could explain it is propoganda.

 

[mckmas8808]

All I have to show you guys is this.

from SSX on GAF


Now if that doesn't make you want to get the game I don't know what will. The fake HDR lighting in the background, the flying colossus, standing while riding on the horse, and then the great jump to get on the beast with great animation is top notch.

And great music too!!
Link to MP3 here ---->http://www.childofainur.com/WandaandtheColossus.mp3

Next-gen what? j/k

 

[Acert93]

That little clip looks like it animates well, I look forward to some direct feeds.

I got a question though... did they go quasi-grey scale to save bandwidth/memory footprint? Not that it matters, but this could be an example of creating an art concept to match your engine limitations. The art is great in this game, so it is a compliment (not a negative).

 

[ihamoitc2005]

Limitation & PVC

That little clip looks like it animates well, I look forward to some direct feeds.

I got a question though... did they go quasi-grey scale to save bandwidth/memory footprint? Not that it matters, but this could be an example of creating an art concept to match your engine limitations. The art is great in this game, so it is a compliment (not a negative).

Maybe lose color to enable smaller memory footprint of textures and get better contrast variation for lighting in 4MB VRAM.

Pixelbox, it is sad to hear that PVC is so bad. I like forums/blogs that are fair and many can have free expression and have different perspectives.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

That little clip looks like it animates well, I look forward to some direct feeds.

I got a question though... did they go quasi-grey scale to save bandwidth/memory footprint? Not that it matters, but this could be an example of creating an art concept to match your engine limitations. The art is great in this game, so it is a compliment (not a negative).

Might it reduce artefacting on HDR lighting (he says having read that Tri-Ace Squareenix PDF on HDR, DOF and SH on PS2!). You could be right. Though it's also very atmospheric and could just as well be an art choice.