To everyone who's pissed about Nintendo's no-HD (high definition) announcement, here's your chance to make a difference:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/625/625423p1.html
http://cube.ign.com/articles/625/625423p1.html
Revolution and HD: Do your part.
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I think people are grossly overestimating the impact HD will actually have on the majority of the consumers. The vast majority of people don't have HD TVs now and probably wont for a 3-4 more years. Most people don't care, and 'most' people are the ones who are spending the most money -- that is who Nintendo is wanting to target -- it would seem.
It seems silly to get all up in a bundle about this. The games will still look good and I'm sure will be a blast to play.
On a side note, I'm still betting that the interview is wrong in some sense. I remember very clearly Nintendo saying that the Revolution would support HD (around E3 time). Maybe they changed it, but until I hear specs from the big N itself, I'm not sure I fully believe that interview.
It seems silly to get all up in a bundle about this. The games will still look good and I'm sure will be a blast to play.
On a side note, I'm still betting that the interview is wrong in some sense. I remember very clearly Nintendo saying that the Revolution would support HD (around E3 time). Maybe they changed it, but until I hear specs from the big N itself, I'm not sure I fully believe that interview.
jvd said:
Ditto, on my part I wouldn't connect consoles on my 60 inch HDTV as it is my main focal point of the living room for movies! I play on a Sony Wega 27inch CRT and it does the job. Heck even my RCA 20 inch TRUFLAT looks good on games. Not really a big deal.
I wouldn't pay an extra $ for the connectors, extra features, bells and whistles that aren't use that much. I rather spend them on games
ralexand said:
Erm, it isn't a question of redesiging their GPU, its a question of supporting the output. ANY GPU that Revolution might have would be adequate to support HD resolutions. This is going to be 2nd half of 2006 part. Do you doubt the GPU will be capable of 720P, I don't. It would literally cost Nintendo a few pennies to use a component capable output instead of a just composite. If Nintendo doesn't want to support HD in their first party titles, that is their business, but that would at least allow 3rd parties the option.
I am just out of college and recently purchased a decent 34" Sanyo CRT HDTV. I fully intend to use it for my next generation consoles. It seems silly to me that people have High Def sets and don't use them for their gaming when it is an option.
Oh, btw... I emailed IGN and suggested they provide contact information to Nintendo's public relations. If they see their is a real demand for the feature it will be more likely to be included.
Its alot more than that
If its using edram they may have to adjust the amount of edram to fit the larger buffer . They may need to add more ram , the gpu may not be fast enough to fill the pixels enough times for what they need and so on and so forth .
I'm sure if nintendo wants they can just make a component out put cable that hooks onto thier special input . That isn't the problem
mckmas8808
Legend
Wrong Nintendo not putting in HD is HUGE!!! Look around at a few forums and you see people pissed off. Add that to Nintendo's history and its just doesn't look good. I doubt Nintendo will listen to the hundreds of thousands of people but hey.
If you guys don't care about HDTV then obviously you won't mine, but a lot of people do. If the other two huge companies that are beating you are doing it why not include it?
If you guys don't care about HDTV then obviously you won't mine, but a lot of people do. If the other two huge companies that are beating you are doing it why not include it?
mckmass people are going to buy a ns5 no matter what . All of thier fans will buy it and if it hits the right price point alot of casuals will buy it .
I was upset at first and then i realised how many tvs we own don't have hd and how long it will be till we update those tvs .
Anyway i'm hoping this is a move to keep the hardware cheap . If nintendo can get away with less powerfull hardware because of the res and put out x360 lvl graphics at 640x480 and price it much less than the x360 they will clean up
I was upset at first and then i realised how many tvs we own don't have hd and how long it will be till we update those tvs .
Anyway i'm hoping this is a move to keep the hardware cheap . If nintendo can get away with less powerfull hardware because of the res and put out x360 lvl graphics at 640x480 and price it much less than the x360 they will clean up
I think most people's point is, if this is indeed Nintendo's move to lower development cost, rather than hardware, they should at least leave it to the developers. Sure most gamers don't have HDTV set, but a similar can be said years back about broadband gaming for the current gen consoles. But Sony (kinda) and MS went ahead and implemented this "extra feature" not only for the gamers, but the developers as well. And that made everyone, not just the majority but the small community as well, happy. But if this has more to do with hardware [cost], then I guess that's different story.
But until Nintendo release it's full spec and features, lets settle down a bit and keep our fingers cross. I'm still hoping to play my NES collection in true high def.
- Z
But until Nintendo release it's full spec and features, lets settle down a bit and keep our fingers cross. I'm still hoping to play my NES collection in true high def.
- Z
why care for revolution and HDTV ? if HTDV is essential to your gaming pleasure just buy an hdtv-capable console..
as being the owner of a single SD TV set that i intend to use as long as possible, i don't care for HDTV the next gen which by the way does not mean i will buy the revolution...
to the poeple seeing a lot of people pissed about of that, i wonder where they find so much people who care about nintendo revolution (isn't nintendo supposed to be passé ?) AND owning or intending to buy an HDTV set.. i'm pretty sure this is more a part of a microcosm than a representative sample.
as being the owner of a single SD TV set that i intend to use as long as possible, i don't care for HDTV the next gen which by the way does not mean i will buy the revolution...
to the poeple seeing a lot of people pissed about of that, i wonder where they find so much people who care about nintendo revolution (isn't nintendo supposed to be passé ?) AND owning or intending to buy an HDTV set.. i'm pretty sure this is more a part of a microcosm than a representative sample.
Does it suck? Yep. Reason being it's a nice feature to have even if you're not sure now that you're going to use it - that is, what if you end up buying an HDTV set in the next two years?
Do you really know if you could afford a HDTV two years from now? I doubt it as many can't seriously predict what they could afford two years from now in addition to guessing what the actual HDTV prices will be then.
In any case, Nintendo didn't do it for your good - they did it for their own. Will it translate to a lower cost to buy the console? Don't know. Depends on what is needed to support HDTV and what actually ends up in the box. In other words, if all that is missing is a simple connector (ala Xbox360 wrt a Digital Signal) then don't expect to save a single penny. But if they end up going with a low end console that couldn't drive a HD signal in the first place, then yes, I'd expect it to be cheaper overall.
Do you really know if you could afford a HDTV two years from now? I doubt it as many can't seriously predict what they could afford two years from now in addition to guessing what the actual HDTV prices will be then.
In any case, Nintendo didn't do it for your good - they did it for their own. Will it translate to a lower cost to buy the console? Don't know. Depends on what is needed to support HDTV and what actually ends up in the box. In other words, if all that is missing is a simple connector (ala Xbox360 wrt a Digital Signal) then don't expect to save a single penny. But if they end up going with a low end console that couldn't drive a HD signal in the first place, then yes, I'd expect it to be cheaper overall.
Personally of course I would very much like Nintendo to include a HD output option through components, well at least a 720p option. OTOH I wouldn't be too disappointed if they support 852x480 EDTV by default with nice AA since HDTVs will upconvert the signal anyway. I want REV games to support EDTV and only fall back to 640x480 for GCN games. Like I said before if they can get the graphics as close to CGI as possible then I'd be perfectly happy with EDTV output. I just hope Hollywood and Broadway delivers movie like CGI graphics and animation, otherwise I'd be sorely disappointed.
I don't see it as a big thing, and technically the arguments I think are sound. *IF* Ninty are going with somethng like 14 megs eDRAM as rumoured, but DON'T have tile rendering like XB360, to get FSAA and HDR and other next-gen graphical goodies into that buffer they'll need to limit output resolution. In a few years when everyone's got HDTVs (yeah, right!) N5 will still look very good, and those that are desperate for HD gaming to exploit their HD sets can pick a PS3 or XB360 up cheap.
Evil_Cloud
Veteran
Sigh, some people are way to anxious, I wish people could just wait for the 'complete' Revolution to unveil itself. Also, don't expect Nintendo to leak anything, they're one of the most waterproof companies in the world.
The GPU would only need just over twice the embedded ram of Flipper to support 720p and fillrate should hardly be a problem for any new part. Even if the GPU was as slow as some people think (4 times the speed of Flipper) it could still support that resolution. Some effects would have to be dropped on such a GPU to support the resolution yes, but why not leave that decision up to the developer?
Though personally I very much doubt the GPU is going to be so slow anyway.
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