maybe if they called the 8500 275/275 the 8500 Pro and the 250/250 the 8500 they wouldn't have got stick for the LE for 250/250 board which is all they speed they had ever promised in the first place.
It's just marketing isnt it? I wonder whether the lower clocked 9700 needs the molex connector?
I would be more interested in a 9700LE as well in the $250 range if the 9500 cant offer 'similar' to 9700 speeds at 1024x768 with 4xMSAA and 16xAF.
Still we need the NV30 to ship on time to force the prices all round down.
It's just marketing isnt it? I wonder whether the lower clocked 9700 needs the molex connector?
I would be more interested in a 9700LE as well in the $250 range if the 9500 cant offer 'similar' to 9700 speeds at 1024x768 with 4xMSAA and 16xAF.
Still we need the NV30 to ship on time to force the prices all round down.
Joe DeFuria
Legend
Sounds like good news to me.
We might have a case here (as others seem to be suggesting), that ATI may drop the "LE" moniker. Now, instead of having a 9700 and a 9700 LE, we might have a 9700 Pro and a 9700.
With the Pro version retailing for $399, this gives hope that there will be a non-pro version sold by 3rd parties (possibly sub 300 Mhz?), with a correspondigly lower price tag.
ATI would have a very nice line-up to have the $80-$125 900 series, a sub $200 9500 series (in a few months hopefully), a $250-$300 9700, and a $350+ 9700 pro.
We might have a case here (as others seem to be suggesting), that ATI may drop the "LE" moniker. Now, instead of having a 9700 and a 9700 LE, we might have a 9700 Pro and a 9700.
With the Pro version retailing for $399, this gives hope that there will be a non-pro version sold by 3rd parties (possibly sub 300 Mhz?), with a correspondigly lower price tag.
ATI would have a very nice line-up to have the $80-$125 900 series, a sub $200 9500 series (in a few months hopefully), a $250-$300 9700, and a $350+ 9700 pro.
Prometheus
Newcomer
Hey guys Hercules will ship a 300/650 radeon 9700!!So what do you prefer a 325/620 card from Ati or the 300/650 from Hercules?
Many questions still rise!! If the hercules is 300/650 will they have a pro version of say 325/700?What will Ati's radeon 9700 clock speeds be?
Is the radeon 9700 and the pro version the same thing?(just changed the name)
Can someone post the bandwidth numbers between 620 and 650 memory?
Many questions still rise!! If the hercules is 300/650 will they have a pro version of say 325/700?What will Ati's radeon 9700 clock speeds be?
Is the radeon 9700 and the pro version the same thing?(just changed the name)
Can someone post the bandwidth numbers between 620 and 650 memory?
KnightBreed
Newcomer
Prometheus said:
(speed in mhz * 2) * (memory interface width) / (8 bits per byte) = available bandwith
310mhz DDR = 19.84 GB/sec
325mhz DDR = 20.8 GB/sec
G
Guest
Guest
It is possible that the non-pro version be shipped without a molex connector, this would make overclocking difficult without a more powerful AGP slot. Correct me if I am wrong here, just trying to figure out how a normal Radeon 9700 would be prevented from overclocking and this is the first thing that comes to mind.
that never stopped nVidia from shipping Gf3Ti200's that could exceed stock Gf3 or match Gf3 Ti500 speeds or the same for the Gf4Ti series.
Just assume there is less chance of reaching the same speed a 9700Pro can be overclocked to with a '9700'.
On the 8500 the LE's often had lower core and mem voltages even when the mem was rated higher. Maybe that will also be the case here, alongside a missing molex connector.
Just assume there is less chance of reaching the same speed a 9700Pro can be overclocked to with a '9700'.
On the 8500 the LE's often had lower core and mem voltages even when the mem was rated higher. Maybe that will also be the case here, alongside a missing molex connector.
Hellbinder
Banned
everyones selective memory irritates me to no end...
Ati "acctually delivered this time"...
The 8500 previews all claimed 250mgz and the shipped it at 275. Look it up yourself. this is another case where the Nvidia friendly media has propagated more Nvidia misinformation so much that it is now supposedly FACT.
Well its not. Check out the REAL history of ATi's shipping speeds yourself.
Ati "acctually delivered this time"...
The 8500 previews all claimed 250mgz and the shipped it at 275. Look it up yourself. this is another case where the Nvidia friendly media has propagated more Nvidia misinformation so much that it is now supposedly FACT.
Well its not. Check out the REAL history of ATi's shipping speeds yourself.
Neat, ATI also posted the clock speed of the card on their site... In the past ATI has shown reluctance to showing the core speeds on their pages...
Today we actually know what the core and mem speeds of the 9700 Pro will be, which IMO has been something we've been waiting to hear. I"m glad we finally know for sure now.
Though I too wonder about the 620 memory, that puts the mem bandwidth slightly under 20GB/sec that they let on it was going to have in the previews.
Oh well, looks to be good though, can't wait to see some reviews on it
Today we actually know what the core and mem speeds of the 9700 Pro will be, which IMO has been something we've been waiting to hear. I"m glad we finally know for sure now.
Though I too wonder about the 620 memory, that puts the mem bandwidth slightly under 20GB/sec that they let on it was going to have in the previews.
Oh well, looks to be good though, can't wait to see some reviews on it
Prometheus said:Hey guys Hercules will ship a 300/650 radeon 9700!!So what do you prefer a 325/620 card from Ati or the 300/650 from Hercules?
Many questions still rise!! If the hercules is 300/650 will they have a pro version of say 325/700?What will Ati's radeon 9700 clock speeds be?
Is the radeon 9700 and the pro version the same thing?(just changed the name)
Can someone post the bandwidth numbers between 620 and 650 memory?
too much speculation
but it'd take the ati card, 325/620 cause you can always overclock
Here's the first thing that popped into my head as I read this:
There, I said it. I can't freaking believe you complained about a name change, when the price and clock speeds stayed the same.
Again, I ask you all to wait 15 mins before hitting Reply, and maybe we'll tone down the noise in this forum. Just surf elsewhere, then reread your reply and post it if it's reasonably thought out. At the very least, reread your reply before posting!
As to the topic at hand, does this mean we're going to see a 9000/Pro, 9500/Pro, and 9700/Pro? That doesn't seem like a bit much to you? I suppose it covers the $100 to $400 range nicely, but it's an awfully large product range. Ah well, more future minefields for gamers to avoid. Consumer choice, rah rah, and all that.
I hope ATi actually makes the moniker a minimum clockspeed, so we won't see such terrible misnomers like the Crucial 8500"LE", with it's galling 166MHz DDR RAM. I mean, Crucial is a memory company--you'd think they, of all companies, would slap some silly fast RAM on that board. That board deserves its own 8500LELELE name.
F@NBOY.
There, I said it. I can't freaking believe you complained about a name change, when the price and clock speeds stayed the same.
Again, I ask you all to wait 15 mins before hitting Reply, and maybe we'll tone down the noise in this forum. Just surf elsewhere, then reread your reply and post it if it's reasonably thought out. At the very least, reread your reply before posting!
As to the topic at hand, does this mean we're going to see a 9000/Pro, 9500/Pro, and 9700/Pro? That doesn't seem like a bit much to you? I suppose it covers the $100 to $400 range nicely, but it's an awfully large product range. Ah well, more future minefields for gamers to avoid. Consumer choice, rah rah, and all that.
I hope ATi actually makes the moniker a minimum clockspeed, so we won't see such terrible misnomers like the Crucial 8500"LE", with it's galling 166MHz DDR RAM. I mean, Crucial is a memory company--you'd think they, of all companies, would slap some silly fast RAM on that board. That board deserves its own 8500LELELE name.
OpenGL guy
Veteran
Maybe Crucial thought that 333 (166x2) was faster than the 275 clocked DDR on the 8500 boards?Pete said:
Actually, I really do wonder what Crucial is up to...
Depends - if they keep it to '<number>' and '<number> PRO' products then that will be two products per chip = 6 products. NV just has 3 products per chip.
I think it's just good, old-fashioned profit-taking. They ran some nice rebates last month, and it looks like they're shoring up their bottom line by riding on their name. Hopefully it'll pass soon, as I need a stick of laptop DDR.
~y, true, they'll end up having as many current cards as nV does (3x MX + 3x Ti), just with a better spread for the consumer, IMO. I'm thinking the idea of a 9500 for gamers who're stuck at 10x7 is a pretty good idea. I'm also curious to see what speeds they debut at (I imagine at GF4Ti speeds, the 9500 might be a little slower sans AF/AA, and a little faster with, as they're still doing adaptive), and how overclockable they'll be (to compete with nV's renowned OCing prowess). The fact that Hercules is offering a 300/650 card to ATi's 325/620 is interesting. The 9700's 2.5x dominance on 16x12+AA+AF benches may be solely attributable to its double memory bandwidth and adaptive AF, no? So maybe the R300 is better a using extra bandwidth than the R200 was, especially now that it has a switching/X-bar memory controller.
(Note to self: no more abbrev's.
)Pete said:I hope that's true as I'm stuck at 10x7
If you look at the Gf4MX440/460, its a very fast card really compared to the Gf2Ultra and in some circumstances faster than the Gf3, down to architecture improvements. Hopefully the 9500 will show similar performance improvements over the 8500 down to improved architecture as you suggested.
Hellbinder[CE said:
What, exactly, does NVIDIA have to do with any of this? Christ, one person shares their opinion and all of a sudden NVIDIA is brainwashing the world and erasing everyone's memory. Seriously, do you have to get your shirts tailored so they will fit over that chip on your shoulder?
Crusher said:
I don't think he meant nVidia is the cause but the "nVidia friendly media" e.g. websites/magazines...you know those who've made it a fact that Quack wasn't a bug...
Anyway...I'll prob. go for the Hercules board myself,they're most likely easier to find here in Sweden...unless their faster (if it is) memory increases the price too much...(and depending on if it has the molex or not and if that will interfear with stability...)
