r420 NDA expiration?

[kemosabe]

Well you know why I'm not invited, don't you? I'M NOT AFFILIATED TO THE COMPUTER GRAPHICS INDUSTRY IN ANY WAY. Could be something to do with it...

Which is precisely why some of us wonder why you know what you do about 'unannounced products', but we're not complaining.

By the way, that link you provided shows that ATI is having a world premiere presentation in the early afternoon of May 5th.

http://www.visionevents.com/vv/europe/next_event/agenda.php

 

[Tim Murray]

Well you know why I'm not invited, don't you? I'M NOT AFFILIATED TO THE COMPUTER GRAPHICS INDUSTRY IN ANY WAY. Could be something to do with it...

Which is precisely why some of us wonder why you know what you do about 'unannounced products', but we're not complaining.

Because his brother is Dave Orton and his sister's uncle is Jen-Hsun Huang. Duh.

 

[MuFu]

Because his brother is Dave Orton and his sister's uncle is Jen-Hsun Huang. Duh.

Yes, Jen-Hsun is Dave Orton's uncle. That's why he always calls him "whippersnapper" in press conferences.

 

[Tim Murray]

Because his brother is Dave Orton and his sister's uncle is Jen-Hsun Huang. Duh.

Yes, Jen-Hsun is Dave Orton's uncle. That's why he always calls him "whippersnapper" in press conferences.

Exactly. Now you know, kids, and knowing is half the battle.

Jen-Hsun really is that crazy uncle you never had.

 

[gandalfthewhite]

YO digi help a brother out heh im already a beta tester for ATI but i need more creds come on if im affiliated with a site and a beta tester for ATI im more likely to be able to do reviews

 

[ZenThought]

TSMC's low-k trouble

maybe this is why r420 is delayed..

http://www.siliconstrategies.com/ar...id=LDYLMSR4DHJJ4QSNDBCSKHQ?articleId=19201681

 

[rwolf]

Maybe that is why they couldn't get the last four pipes to work for a while.

 

[Bry]

Re: TSMC's low-k trouble

maybe this is why r420 is delayed..

http://www.siliconstrategies.com/ar...id=LDYLMSR4DHJJ4QSNDBCSKHQ?articleId=19201681

I doubt that..it seems they were talking about alot bigger chips here..And ATI was not even mentions.

But earlier this year, the chip failed TSMC's reliability tests, where devices are cycled for up to 10,000 hours at temperatures as high as 150C. The problem was a familiar one: collapsed vias.

Plus..since when do Video card chips run this hot?

 

[BRiT]

Re: TSMC's low-k trouble

But earlier this year, the chip failed TSMC's reliability tests, where devices are cycled for up to 10,000 hours at temperatures as high as 150C. The problem was a familiar one: collapsed vias.

Plus..since when do Video card chips run this hot?

Maybe they were talking of the NV40...

 

[Bry]

Re: TSMC's low-k trouble

But earlier this year, the chip failed TSMC's reliability tests, where devices are cycled for up to 10,000 hours at temperatures as high as 150C. The problem was a familiar one: collapsed vias.

Plus..since when do Video card chips run this hot?

Maybe they were talking of the NV40...

Maybe thats why the NV40 needs two molex connectors..One for the card and one for the cooling fan??

 

[Ardrid]

That might work if TSMC was actually fabbing NV40

 

[Pete]

Re: TSMC's low-k trouble

But earlier this year, the chip failed TSMC's reliability tests, where devices are cycled for up to 10,000 hours at temperatures as high as 150C. The problem was a familiar one: collapsed vias.

Plus..since when do Video card chips run this hot?

They're trying to gauge reliability over years in tests that last much less than that. One way to do that is to overwork the chip at higher-than-normal temperatures, AFAIK.

Thanks for the link, ZT. Now I just need someone with a far greater knowledge of fabbing timelines to interpret it for me. For instance, No way is ATi stress-testing the R420 for 10K hours (they just don't have the time to test a chip for over a year), so I wonder if they're one of the ones affected by this.

 

[rwolf]

They would stress test a sample of the chips. They also would have a verification process.

 

[Tim]

Re: TSMC's low-k trouble

Plus..since when do Video card chips run this hot?

They are stress testing, thus running at a higher temperature (and most likely higher voltage) to accelerate thermal migration etc.

They could off cause run the chip for 5 years under normal operation conditions instead...if they had the time.

 

[Rys]

For people expecting reviews of the XT variant a few weeks after the 5th.....I wouldn't count on it
Reviewers have it now

Rys

 

[webmedic]

For people expecting reviews of the XT variant a few weeks after the 5th.....I wouldn't count on it
Reviewers have it now

Rys

 

[Bjorn]

For people expecting reviews of the XT variant a few weeks after the 5th.....I wouldn't count on it
Reviewers have it now

Rys

I hope that means that we'll get them the 5th and not more then a few weeks after. Cause it's getting a bit annoying to wait

 

[digitalwanderer]

Cause it's getting a bit annoying to wait

Don't think of it as waiting, think of it as practicing being patient.

 

[Hanners]

For people expecting reviews of the XT variant a few weeks after the 5th.....I wouldn't count on it

Reviewers have it now

You young punks and your small text shenanigans. Damn you! Damn you all!

 

[Nite_Hawk]

For people expecting reviews of the XT variant a few weeks after the 5th.....I wouldn't count on it
Reviewers have it now

Rys

I was going to say:

Have any of you considered that multiple "X"s in the name raises the chances that one of them belongs to "XT"?

So a "X" in the product name, and another X in XT?

Nite_Hawk