R420 Hints from people under NDA!

Well if you don't want to "wait" for the R420 why don't you go buy yourself a 6800 Ultra today?

Oh wait, that's right...you can't can you?

 

The other thing consumers like (especially when competition is tight in a given cycle) is reliable drivers. I don't believe any further explanation is necessary given your examples...

 

I had reliable drivers with the radeon and 8500. What you are talking about is an old wives tale . I have never had any more problems with an ati product than i have had with an nvidia product.

IT was just fanboy fud spread about so that people wouldn't buy ati .

my radeon had the same problems as my geforce 2 ultra , my radeon 8500 had the same as my geforce 3 ti 500 , my 9700pro had less problems than my geforce fx 5800 ultra

 

The other problem with your reply as you have no clue what you are talking about:

Case in point if Nvidias drivers were so superior back then why did this site exist:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011229231540/www.tweak3d.net/faq/faq.html

 

You have almost rendered me speechless with that gem of a post. I hardly know what to say in response.

ATi themselves admitted their old drivers were utter crap. Thats why Catalyst came about.

 

Please post where ati has said that .


Ati's drivers may have not been the best but then again neither was nvidias . Did u ever use a radeon or 8500 ? did u compare them to the geforce cards at the time ?

Because I have. Between my sisters and i , we have owned at least one card from each card maker since the voodoo2

 

Cant speak about the 8500, but the radeon drivers of my [clean] office machine were JUNK compared to the GF2 GTS drivers I had in my home pc.

 

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=251555&highlight=#251555

 

My point exactly........

 

thanks now i know how bad his bais is . No need to reply any further to him.

 

Once again..... my point exactly....

 

I don't think you understood what I was saying very well at all, in fact you completely missed the point, but I don't really mind.

edit: Don't mean to be an ass btw, so I will clarify my point. I don't care about waiting, or buying any of them, I am simply tired of people trying to sound clever and in the know w/o expressing any real info. Any person could make up sly sounding statements that would make them seem correct in retrospect, just like a fortune teller can make you beleive that they have some mystic power... charlatan's is the feeling I get... or simply people trying to... nevermind but I suppose I am simply tired of this sort of thing and I realize there is no point of saying anything about it, but I already did so I had to elucidate to avoid people misconstruing what I said.

 

Why would "those at ATi," who obviously aren't under 3rd-party NDA's since they aren't 3rd parties, violate the the very NDA's they are using to control 3rd-party information release on their unannounced products? I'm not sure that makes any sense... It seems to me that whatever R4x0 actually is and entails, that "those at ATi" will be talking about it when they announce R4x0 and their NDA's lapse, right?

Maybe that was a tactic undertaken to try and get nVidia to talk about what they were going to do? (Which worked, apparently.) Just a thought.

Nothing will "seem apparent" to me about R4x0 until the official specs are announced by the company, just as was the case for me with nV40.

 

Which would be a good reason for me to stick with ATi, if I was thinking like that... I've been using the Catalysts for 18 months (R300 & R350), and have yet to have occasion to contrast them negatively with the nVidia Dets I was using before. I believe that those who assume a "driver problem" relative to ATi at this point in time are working on very slanted information. As well, over the last 18 months it's been nVidia, not ATi, receiving tons of negative publicity about "cheating" and "optimizing" in its drivers--shunting ps2.0 game code to ps1.x, diminishing image quality, and many other concerns raised at various times. If anything at this stage it is nVidia with an uphill trek for its driver rep as opposed to ATi. (Where have you been for the past year?...)

 

You missed my point, it's silly to be annoyed at people saying "wait to see what the competition is before buying" when neither product is actually available yet! (And I'll bet dollars to donuts that you'll be able to buy a next-gen ATi card before you'll be able to buy an nVidia one)

NINJA EDIT: Ah, you clarified. I still think my point remains valid.

 

Hmmm....Chalnoth not making sense......... I'm shocked!!!

 

DW your point is valid we were just talking cross ways, and not about the same thing. As I said I do not mind people saying "Wait for the competition" I think it is good advice and have said it myself. I will wait and see which is released first and if it is ATI and if they beat the 6800 reviews that we have seen I will Still WAIT until both are actually released into the wild to make a choice .

 

Heh... I don't know what it is, but his brain cells seem to get overstimulated whenever the word "nVidia" reaches them, and the neurons fire in an orgy of titillation, and his imagination leaps tall buildings in a single bound... 8)

(Just kidding, C...)

 

Sorry, my bad...for some reason I thought you were complaining about ATi fans saying to hold off giving the next-gen crown to nVidia until we saw both.

My apologies Sxotty.

 

Um, because it's their reponsibility if they feel they should release some information?

I mean, please, with all this information about the R420 not supporting PS 3.0, if it were not true, it seems like a sound business strategy to squash those rumors pretty quickly. But they have not been squashed.

And if the PS 2.0b, which definitely appears to be a profile for ATI hardware, is not for the R420, then what hardware, pray tell, could it be for?