Quick question= So what is 1080p anyway?

[London Geezer]

Well the content for 1080p is definitely coming. *cough* HD-DVD *cough*

Windows media site claims that High definition windows media will support 720p and 1080p. They dont say anything about the fps though.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/AboutHDVideo.aspx

Movies will stay at 24/30fps anyway so that's ok for HDDVD/Blueray.

It's different for games though.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

What I don't understand is that why do we need confirmed tv standards to make a display supporting 1080p@60fps, I mean displays can be used for many things other than watching tv. And also if tv can show 1080i natively it has to have 1920x1080 resolution, eventhough it's showing only 1920x540 at any given moment, So in theory It's should be able to show 1080p also?. and if it can show 1080p I don't think we need any broadcasting standards fot it to show 60hz, somebody just have to make it support 60hz.

Democoder come out and explain

 

[London Geezer]

What I don't understand is that why do we need confirmed tv standards to make a display supporting 1080p@60fps,

Point is, a TV that doesn't explicitly support 1080p, won't display the signal, it will just downscale it to the native resolution of the display, either 1080i or 720p.
If the display's native resolution is 1080p however, it will upscale whatever signal to 1080p.

I mean displays can be used for many things other than watching tv. And also if tv can show 1080i natively it has to have 1920x1080 resolution, eventhough it's showing only 1920x540 at any given moment, So in theory It's should be able to show 1080p also?. and if it can show 1080p I don't think we need any broadcasting standards fot it to show 60hz, somebody just have to make it support 60hz.

Democoder come out and explain

Broadcasts and movies all run at 60Hz/30fps. So 1080 is fine, the refresh rate of the display will be 60 or 75Hz, but the content is only shown at 30fps. Or at least, movies do, i'm pretty sure broadcasts also run at 30fps but i could be wrong.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

How do current graphics cards cope with UT at super high resolutions with a pixel count similar to 1080p? Can anything even get CLOSE to 60 fps at something like 1600x900?

 

[London Geezer]

How do current graphics cards cope with UT at super high resolutions with a pixel count similar to 1080p? Can anything even get CLOSE to 60 fps at something like 1600x900?

Well, 2 6800U SLI fare pretty well, but they're running PC games, and bloody HL2 or Doom3 aren't exactly UE3-based games...

 

[Megadrive1988]

*dreams of* PS5 UHDV 4320p @ 60

in other words:

PlayStation5 displayed in Ultra High Definition Video at 7680 x 4320 progressive scan at 60 frames per second 8)

 

[London Geezer]

*dreams of* PS5 UHDV 4320p @ 60

in other words:

PlayStation5 displayed in Ultra High Definition Video at 7680 x 4320 progressive scan at 60 frames per second 8)

At that resolution, why stop at 60fps!?!!

 

[PG2G]

Didn't the guy say the UE3 demo was running at 720p? I guess it doesn't really matter anyway, it was probablu just running on SLI 6800 Ultras.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Didn't the guy say the UE3 demo was running at 720p?

Yes. I wouldnt' hold my breath actually seeing PS3 games run in 1080p. I think 720p and 1080i is going to be the sweetspot for next gen.

 

[phat]

And also if tv can show 1080i natively it has to have 1920x1080 resolution, eventhough it's showing only 1920x540 at any given moment, So in theory It's should be able to show 1080p also?.

Whether a 1080i60 display can easily also do 1080p30 depends on the display technology. CRTs no. Plasma, LCD, DLPs yes.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

And also if tv can show 1080i natively it has to have 1920x1080 resolution, eventhough it's showing only 1920x540 at any given moment, So in theory It's should be able to show 1080p also?.

Whether a 1080i60 display can easily also do 1080p30 depends on the display technology. CRTs no. Plasma, LCD, DLPs yes.

Except that my CRT monitor does with a happy face.

 

[phat]

And also if tv can show 1080i natively it has to have 1920x1080 resolution, eventhough it's showing only 1920x540 at any given moment, So in theory It's should be able to show 1080p also?.

Whether a 1080i60 display can easily also do 1080p30 depends on the display technology. CRTs no. Plasma, LCD, DLPs yes.

Except that my CRT monitor does with a happy face.

You missed the point. Your CRT is designed to do 1080p60 (it won't be able to do 1080p30). Each scan rate your CRT supports involves significant additional cost in circuitry and calibration, especially if it needs to be big and bright for your living room. My 40" CRT at home does 1080i, but will need a redesigned deflection circuit to do 1080p.

OTOH, an LCD, plasma, or DLP display that has the resolution for 1080i can display 1080p practically for free, assuming the rest of the signal chain can accomodate 1080p.

Phat

 

[loekf2]

And also if tv can show 1080i natively it has to have 1920x1080 resolution, eventhough it's showing only 1920x540 at any given moment, So in theory It's should be able to show 1080p also?.

Whether a 1080i60 display can easily also do 1080p30 depends on the display technology. CRTs no. Plasma, LCD, DLPs yes.

Except that my CRT monitor does with a happy face.

You missed the point. Your CRT is designed to do 1080p60 (it won't be able to do 1080p30). Each scan rate your CRT supports involves significant additional cost in circuitry and calibration, especially if it needs to be big and bright for your living room. My 40" CRT at home does 1080i, but will need a redesigned deflection circuit to do 1080p.

OTOH, an LCD, plasma, or DLP display that has the resolution for 1080i can display 1080p practically for free, assuming the rest of the signal chain can accomodate 1080p.

Phat

True... 1080P refers to 1920 x 1080 pixels @ 60 frames per second....
progressive

Having worked in the TV "components" world, yes TV makers (specially in Asia) are asking for it. Specially China is a crazy world with progressive scan CRT TVs (60P in a PAL market) supporting 720P, 1080I etc..