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When comparing the Mac mini to a SFF system bear in mind the software bundle that comes with the mini. OS X, iLife 05, iWorks are worth about £200 bought on their own. Not bad when the system has an RRP of £339.
I hope that MS can learn from this new Mac and keep the sixe of the Xbox 2 down. If the Xbox 2 doesn't have a HDD surely it could fit into a similarly sized enclosure as the Mac mini.
I hope that MS can learn from this new Mac and keep the sixe of the Xbox 2 down. If the Xbox 2 doesn't have a HDD surely it could fit into a similarly sized enclosure as the Mac mini.
External.rabidrabbit said:
Keeps the size down, and you don't have to dissipate the waste heat from the enclosure.
By appearances, Mac mini uses laptop components throughout, which is how they can keep it so amazingly small. It seems they have a temperature regulated fan present in order to ensure no overheating even in adverse conditions. Noone has been able to hear if its running though. Whether this means that it doesn't kick in easily, or simply that the MacWorld is too noisy a venue for it to be heard is anybodys guess so far.
I just cancelled my order for new PC innards. I'll have to think through what I really want at home. My 17" FP iMac makes a Mac Mini hard to justify, but if I really work on it, a good excuse is sure to present itself!
Entropy said:External.rabidrabbit said:
Keeps the size down, and you don't have to dissipate the waste heat from the enclosure.
By appearances, Mac mini uses laptop components throughout, which is how they can keep it so amazingly small. It seems they have a temperature regulated fan present in order to ensure no overheating even in adverse conditions. Noone has been able to hear if its running though. Whether this means that it doesn't kick in easily, or simply that the MacWorld is too noisy a venue for it to be heard is anybodys guess so far.
I just cancelled my order for new PC innards. I'll have to think through what I really want at home. My 17" FP iMac makes a Mac Mini hard to justify, but if I really work on it, a good excuse is sure to present itself!
I'm actually very very surprised no one thought about that for current consoles, leaving the PSU out would have definately made it possible to have smaller consoles (I'm not sure if GC has an internal PSU actually). I mean, just look at the PSTwo. Obviously that has also to do with chipset shrinking and internal modifications, but the PSU occupies a lot of space when it's internal and it shows.
Hopefully this will be a common trend in the future.
I don't want this to degrade into the age old debate, all I am saying (as I have seen the prices you presented) is that you have presented a similar (cheaper) system, but not a comparable one.Acert93 said:
But that isn't the point. Most of the time I read this argument as "warez readily available"...Acert93 said:
Here's how you relate this to the consoles. If you buy a Mac, you need a console to do serious gaming whereas if you have a PC, the need is less so.
I'm not sure what Ando was there for. Certainly not to pimp that $3500 HD camcorder alone. Not going to be a huge market. But Jobs did mention Blu-Ray for the first time publicly.
When Apple first announced support for MPEG4/AVC a few months back, only HD-DVD was planning to use that codec. Now that Blu-Ray is on board, that may be the way Apple goes with blue-laser optical drive support.
So that may have a bearing on consoles, since which kind of blue-laser drive support may be one of the differentiators among the next-gen consoles.
I'm not sure what Ando was there for. Certainly not to pimp that $3500 HD camcorder alone. Not going to be a huge market. But Jobs did mention Blu-Ray for the first time publicly.
When Apple first announced support for MPEG4/AVC a few months back, only HD-DVD was planning to use that codec. Now that Blu-Ray is on board, that may be the way Apple goes with blue-laser optical drive support.
So that may have a bearing on consoles, since which kind of blue-laser drive support may be one of the differentiators among the next-gen consoles.
wco81 said:
yeah, but you need to keep your PC up to date, able to keep it as gaming machine too. Just graphics cards cost at least same as console alone and usually you change the graphics card more than once during lifespan of console generation, so eventually it will cost about the same (poor pc gamer) or most likely a lot more (enthuastic user that always have to have the best of the best of the best). Besides, how well games work "straight from the box" is way better in consoles than in PCQAH (PC Quality Assyrance Hell).
and yes, I have never owned Mac, any apple made computer either nor any console. and still I think this way.
london-boy said:
The PSU of current consoles isn't very big as it really only needs to handle one voltage and around 50W load.
It does not. Well, it DOES have a PSU internally, but it's the equivalent of the DC-to-DC power transformers you see on motherboards and graphics cards (and many other add-in cards I might add, though they're much smaller in size there). It regulates the 9-ish volts coming from the external power brick to whatever voltages needed by the internal components.
"A lot"... Around two decks of cards isn't a lot IMO. Having an external lump lying about on the floor collecting dust and looking ugly is 10x worse than if the console casing is marginally bigger IMO. I hate external powersupplies, I have too many already.
Guden Oden said:
It was my understanding that the xbox's PSU was quite big, and that PS2's PSU's (Try saying that one 10 times fast
) occupy "a lot" of space. Maybe my idea of "a lot" is different from yours... Errr...DaveBaumann said:
Hi again Guden Oden
Good points! I agree with most of your points--I think we are focusing on different parts of the equation. The Mac series, as you point out, has a strong image in many areas and the Mini Mac does have a lot of appeal for many basic uses/users. I am not trying to downplay what Apple has done, juist trying to put it into another perspective.But I would agree with Dave to some extent on this. If Apple is only targetting Apple users then they wont go very far. But I think this will appeal to an entirely new segment of users, mainly budget PC buyers who do basic tasks only and people (like my mom!) who can barely use a PC. I have heard a lot of talk of people who would not normally buy a Mac may spring for the $500 device. I see Apples marketshare growing a bit with this move. The question is how much and how will the DELLs of the world react?
Interresting article: http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3555353
Maybe if Apple make some Mac/console hybrid I could buy it
Maybe if Apple make some Mac/console hybrid I could buy it
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Judging from the reactions on boards, it's going to be quite a success.
N64 has the best PSU ever. It is semi internal, in that it plugs halfway into a slot on the back of the console.Guden Oden said:
That solution has all the benefits and none of the drawbacks of either internal or external PSU (easily replaceable, dissipates heat better and the console is still in one piece only).
Wonder why neither of the hardware manufactures chose that solution this gen?
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