PS3 Under $400 in Japan?

[Tap In]

Maybe they could go the MS route and release two SKUs? Perhaps a PSthree? They could make a lot of savings by cutting back on all the IO ports and perhaps replacing the BDROM with a standard DVD drive.

I could certainly see scaling back some specs as an option to hit the sweet spot pricing. Not sure if they'd release a DVD though unless no games are released on Blu ray.

 

[wco81]

How do you recon?

Complaired to the PS2, the PS3 is much more heavily packed with new tech. The PS2 had its EE and that was about it. The PS3 has the Cell, it has the RSX, nothing similar in the PS2, it has the BRD, not even close to the DVD that PS2 came with, alhtough quite new DVD was a very mature tech when the PS2 came along. Not to mention all the other stuff, broadband connections, wireless etc...

You know, out of all those things, I was taking the RSX for granted.

But I saw an ad for the Dell XPS special so I went to the site and they had a $999 system with only an X300 card.

The GF 7800 was a $690 option!

I don't even think it was an SLI configuration.

 

[mckmas8808]

Now, we have sony supporters claiming that sony will bring in a ps3 at an aggressive price point.

I guess you weren't around when people were saying that the PS2 would be $500+ or the PSP would be $400-$600? I guess you just didn't see those comments either though?

Why is it that everytime Sony releases some Playstation hardware everyone thinks that it's going to cost hundreds of dollars more than it really comes out to be? Sony has shut people up about the PS2 and PSP. Shouldn't Sony get the benefit of the doubt here at B3D of all places because of this history?

 

[scooby_dooby]

They are getting the benefit of the doubt, no system they have ever made has been this expensive, and considering inflation over the last 6 years, $399 would be a killer price point.

They're getting the benefit of the doubt, but I wouldn't be "shocked" to see it come in at $499. I agree with you though, they always say it will be expensive, journalists always report it and it's never that high.

He does bring up a good point though with the PSP at $299, that sortof makes you wonder how they will work the pricing structure with such a high pricepoint for their handheld.

 

[pipo]

If Sony sells the same PS3 they advertised at E3 for $400, I'll cut my left nut off and mail it to you.

Start investing in a good blade. According to XE.com 40,000 as of today equals to US$347, not $400. So if this rumor is true, you know what you promised the other dude.

AS has nothing to worry about. They've already dropped the router functionality...

 

[Mefisutoferesu]

The router function was dropped long before E3. I dunno why everyone thinks that. His huevo is still on the line. I hope Sony does pull it off just, so I can see the comedic gold that'll ensue as Alpha argues with others about his huevo. "Well, I'm not paying to mail it to you!" "It's OK, we're willing to go CoD on this!!" Comedy GOLD!!

 

[pipo]

The router function was dropped long before E3. I dunno why everyone thinks that. His huevo is still on the line. I hope Sony does pull it off just, so I can see the comedic gold that'll ensue as Alpha argues with others about his huevo. "Well, I'm not paying to mail it to you!" "It's OK, we're willing to go CoD on this!!" Comedy GOLD!!

Errr....

Since the console was revealed at E3, WITH THOSE SPECS, how would that be possible?

Edit - I'll save you the trouble...

The news that the system was intended for use as a router or hub was first revealed at E3, when Sony's Phil Harrison told GamesIndustry.biz that "it can be a hub, rather than just being a terminal at the end of a network."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10033

 

[AlphaWolf]

The router function was dropped long before E3.

Nope.

Dropped in July. Well after E3.

 

[Titanio]

Errr....

Since the console was revealed at E3, WITH THOSE SPECS, how would that be possible?

Edit - I'll save you the trouble...



http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10033

Nope.

Dropped in July. Well after E3.

Arrrggghhh - make it stop! Sony did not announce router functionality at E3. If websites misreported that, so be it. But Sony said at the E3 conference that it was a switch (watch the video), and they even said again in interviews at E3 that it was not a router, but a switching hub. The coverage of it was atrocious, but that's not Sony's fault (obviously many journos did not understand the difference between a switch, or switching hub and a router). Kutaragi in the later interview was talking about how they had considered it as part of the spec, but decided against it (like perhaps how MS considered HD-DVD - but it was never announced). A lot of people reported incorrectly on the July Kutaragi interview (IGN for example, did not, and pointed out the mistakes - see: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/632/632766p1.html)

 

[BTOA]

Arrrggghhh - make it stop! Sony did not announce router functionality at E3. If websites misreported that, so be it. But Sony said at the E3 conference that it was a switch (watch the video), and they even said again in interviews at E3 that it was not a router, but a switching hub. The coverage of it was atrocious, but that's not Sony's fault. Kutaragi in the later interview was talking about how they had considered it as part of the spec, but decided against it (like perhaps how MS considered HD-DVD - but it was never announced).

QFT

 

[pipo]

I stand corrected is the line I'm looking for I suppose...

 

[mckmas8808]

Thanks pipo and Alpha you have know lost every piece of respect that others here had for you. Glad I can stop reading your crazy post know. And I will repost what you guys said just to show the others here how far behind you two are.

Since the console was revealed at E3, WITH THOSE SPECS, how would that be possible?

Edit - I'll save you the trouble...


Quote:
The news that the system was intended for use as a router or hub was first revealed at E3, when Sony's Phil Harrison told GamesIndustry.biz that "it can be a hub, rather than just being a terminal at the end of a network."

Nope.

Dropped in July. Well after E3.

Read the forum. Use the search function.

 

[pipo]

Thanks pipo and Alpha you have know lost every piece of respect that others here had for you. Glad I can stop reading your crazy post know. And I will repost what you guys said just to show the others here how far behind you two are.

Read the forum. Use the search function.

Which I why I googled for it and there didn't seem to be a site in the world reporting the correct way. And that's probably why I remembered it that way, as I sure didn't know it.

Thanks for pointing out what kind of person you are though...

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Thanks pipo and Alpha you have know lost every piece of respect that others here had for you.

Au contrare. Pipo's intelligent enough to see when he's wrong, which is as much as any of us can hope for (none of us will be infallible. Except maybe LB apparently...)

However, Alpha's bet seem pretty safe. He said specifically $400 and E3 specs. If there's any chage to specs, up or down, or any change to the console box, like a few more vents, or any difference to a $400 price tage, like $399.99, he's scot free...

 

[AlphaWolf]

Arrrggghhh - make it stop! Sony did not announce router functionality at E3. If websites misreported that, so be it. But Sony said at the E3 conference that it was a switch (watch the video), and they even said again in interviews at E3 that it was not a router, but a switching hub. The coverage of it was atrocious, but that's not Sony's fault (obviously many journos did not understand the difference between a switch, or switching hub and a router). Kutaragi in the later interview was talking about how they had considered it as part of the spec, but decided against it (like perhaps how MS considered HD-DVD - but it was never announced). A lot of people reported incorrectly on the July Kutaragi interview (IGN for example, did not, and pointed out the mistakes - see: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/632/632766p1.html)

Ah ok. My apologies Mefisutoferesu.

 

[hey69]

Well as long as it's under 1,000$ I'm buying it.

But lets add up some figures:

*************WARNING HIGHLY SPECULATIVE NUMBERS ******************
Per -> PS3

60$ for the RSX (wonder what sort of deal nVidia cooked up?)
70$ for the Cell (IBM is teh rich $!)
90$ for the Blu-Ray HD (could be cheaper? or.......?)
60$ for memory + motherboard, power supply, case, packaging, manual (Quality parts....or?)
80$ R&DCell, Fabrication, flex io R&d, RSX R&D, marketing, ect....(research and development ALWAYS kills you)
40$ overhead ,labor(always a ball-buster ) , shipping & delivery, Advertising, ect......

Whats that 400$?

I think Sony could break even......but I think everything must fall into place.

you really dont think sony is going to pay 70$ for the cell chip now do you?
and 90$ for blueray? make that 15$ at max

those corporations dont shop at bestbuys or walmarts. the make orders for multimillion pieces of hardware for at least 10years.
R&D is done long ago (for the most part on bleulazer technology) for bleuray, fabricating and ordereing the lazerheads wont cost that much.
a normal redlazer head goes for under the 3$ a piece already for big orders.
some of the R&D is carried by sony global, why others are carried by sony enternainment. so they have different budgets

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Though they do have to recover the costs of development. Sony's Gaming divisons hasn't been of profitable as late because they were spending on RnD. They need to turn the books around and make big profits to compensate, which means losing as little money on the hardware as they can get away with.

 

[mckmas8808]

Which I why I googled for it and there didn't seem to be a site in the world reporting the correct way. And that's probably why I remembered it that way, as I sure didn't know it.

Thanks for pointing out what kind of person you are though...

Look I typed it while you were typing your apology. Plain and simple I'm tired of people quoting darn lies about Sony every chance they get to push their agenda. Man to man I'm glad to see that you understand the truth though so I take back what I said about you.

Cool?

 

[pipo]

Though they do have to recover the costs of development. Sony's Gaming divisons hasn't been of profitable as late because they were spending on RnD. They need to turn the books around and make big profits to compensate, which means losing as little money on the hardware as they can get away with.

QFT. And there's no way they'll hit 15$ for a BR drive any time soon...

Some related stuff:

Research and development costs on PS3 drive Sony's games division into the red

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=10470

Sony to take $100 loss on $399-priced PS3, says new report

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=9838

Take it all with a shipload of salt, but it's tricky business at best. Big N seems to be the only one with a 'normal' business model these days.

Cool?

Yep.

 

[Mefisutoferesu]

Though they do have to recover the costs of development. Sony's Gaming divisons hasn't been of profitable as late because they were spending on RnD. They need to turn the books around and make big profits to compensate, which means losing as little money on the hardware as they can get away with.

I'm half tempted to believe that's why the PStwo hasn't dropped down to $99 as of yet. They're, perhaps, using the extra profit from PS2 to subsdise the losses in PS3. Sounds smart to me, but I haven't really thought hard about it... ...