PS3 on sale in new zealand (pre order of course) - overpriced?
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Shifty Geezer said:
let me ask the question again slightly different this time. Where are you going to get those video files from in the first place, and how are you going to transfer them to the PS3 harddrive? I'd think carefully about how you can do this wihtout having a PC invovled in the process, which would make Ninzel's comment about "none of that 360+PC crap to deal with" incorrect.
it's not a nice extra if you don't care about it, and like i said. internet browsing is a feature better suited for a computer. I have no interest to browse the web on my HDTV. But that's just me...
People also shouldn't play FPSes without a mouse and keyboard, but there's just no learnin' 'em! 
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Pre-orders are available in Sweden too... no estimated price, will probably be bundled in the beginning
How do you do it on PC? Download movies. Rip them of DVD. Read them off your Flash mem devices. Connect up your external device by USB. Some of those are still in the realm of hypothetical on PS3 at the moment because coverage of that side of features is slim. But if Linux is full feature I see no problem in it handling multimedia funcitons on it's own very similar to a PC.Qroach said:
I doubt I'd use it, but i can appreciate for some it'd be a nice feature. I don't care anything for rumble either, but I can see rumble on PS3 would be a nice feature for those that do like it. If a feature has some usefulness or worth, and costs you nothing, it's got to be a good thing to through in there too!
MS would have to make a huge price drop to compete with all the extra functions.$50 just won't cut it if you want what the PS3 can do.Qroach said:
Well alot of this is assumed but seeing as Sony wants to replace the PC in terms of multimedia functions go I think they will have an OS that can handle all multimedia functions like video playback, playing music etc and I'm assuming they will have some sort of services to allow you to use the PS3 to acces this content directly from the PS3. Or you can go through the internet via the internet browser. What makes the 360 not a full multimedia machine is that it by itself cannot do all these function because MS has purposely limited the 360's multimedia abilities. It almost sounds as if you think the PS3 and 360 can't do full multimedia function without a PC. Not true. Just because MS has purposely gimped the 360,doesn't mean the PS3 has to be as well. The hardware is there,it's just a matter of allowing for it via software appications.
I assume from the internet directly onto the PS3 HDD. Why wouldn't the PS3 OS be able to handle this?
The internet ...directly to the PS3 via the internet browser. Do you have to go though a PC to browse the net with the PSP or even on DS?
Your opinion and one which I don't share.Espcially would be nice in HD.
Again your opinion and I'm not here to argue preferneces. You don't need to like the options but you can't deny that it looks like the PS3 will give you more of them.
Edit: I will add that the only thing's I do on my PC are browse the net,multimedia functions and email. If I could do all those things on the PS3 or even the 360 I wouldn't even buy another PC. And I suspect there are alot of others who use their PC's for only those things.
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Nesh said:
It actually is a good deal. I'm just a little wary of spending that kind of bread then having BD-ROM fail as a movie format. If BD-ROM were already established and a lock in the market,I would go for it no problem. Plus the 3rd party support worries me a little but to a much lesser extent.
Shifty Geezer said:
You really gotta stop listening to them and all the PS3 is a PC like computer talk. I'm not tqalking about hypothetical. it was hypothetical that sega would let you do all this with a dreamcast, and they didn't. I sitll don't know why people think there miught be a full implmentation of linux on PS3, I also don't see this happening. It's marketing drivel imo. anyway the fact is your still going to need a place to store, stream, download, or create these videos before hand, and that will be a PC. The fact is, ninzels comment of ""none of that 360+PC crap to deal with" was way off base. your gonna be dealing with the same so called "crap" with PS3.
I've never been a fan of the idea.
Qroach said:
I'm not talking about creating multimedia which most people don't even do.I'm talking about simply consuming multimedia. You can't even stream videos on the 360 without buying an extra peice of software and hooking it up to the PC. Even just consuming multimedia straight from the internet will be full featured on the PS3. All the stuff you can consume from the net will be able to be consumed from the PS3. You can't do that at all from the 360. That fact is the 360 is gimped as a multimedia machine compared to the PS3,there's no two ways about it.Being able to access the net by itself opens up a whole new world.
Edit: And what about music? Doesn't MS have their own music download servicelike I-tunes. Why didn't MS allow for music downloads straight onto the 360 HDD?
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ninzel said:
Extra functions like what exactly? ...and no if they made a price drop they wouldn't need to make a big one. teh base PS3 version doesn't have :that many extra features we know about yet.
Well the fact is, you're making a whole lot of assumptions without knowing one way or other. you're looking at this and saying sony will probably do X, without thinking how X would work. Then you are making the assumption that MS won't add new features via software. Now if you were going to bet which of the two companies was going to go all out on the software side, which would it be? MS the software company, or Sony the hardware company?
Also the need to have media centre installed for all the 360 multimedia features will vanish once windows vista is out and it has media centre built in. It's not like they can't open up and support video playback of all formats if they wanted to.
You keep using workds like 'Crap' and "gimped" when talking about the 360 multi media features, yet you really don't have any solid information to base that opinion on. basically what I'm saying is your comment of ""none of that 360+PC crap to deal with" is 'crap" itself because you don't really know what multi media features the PS3 will have or what can be done without a PC.
ninzel said:
The question is , comsuming media coming from 'where".
That statement is clearly wrong. You don't need media centre to do this. It just limits the type of files you can playback without media centre. You CAN already stream videos and Mp3's from a PC with media connect installed.
Again you simply don't know in what ways you will be limited on the PS3 so arguing that the 360 multi media features are "gimped" just because you can't surf the net with it? that's very silly imo. The only fact is you don't know one way or the other what you can do on the PS3. That's the only fact.
You shoudl really research your facts before posting why you think somehting is "crap" or "gimped". MS hasn't launched thier I-tunes like service yet and when they do, you can bet it will be accesible via the 360.
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ninzel said:
What do you mean "do what the ps3 can do", why don't you just say playback bluray movies, because that's all it does differently.
To call 360's multimedia capabilties gimped compared to 360 is absolutely ridiculous. Can PS3 schedule my PC to playback and record TV? Can it stream video files from my PC to multiple extenders in the house? Automatically detect playlists on my PC?
As for buying additional hardware, true to a point, but when you realize that Vista will be installed on all computers after 2007, and the majority of households own a PC, many people will not have to buy anything. It is still a big selling point that PS3 probably will not be able to match.
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I have not seen any reason to believe that PS3 will have a full web browser. Maybe you will be able to do something with Linux, but that's beyond the capabilities of the average consumer anyways.
You do have a point that the PS3 may be a more standalone device, but the question is, why would anyone want a standalone device when they already have a PC that is more user friendly, and contains their multimedia content already.
It's a matter of realizing different people will value different features, some will want a standalone device to do this stuff, others will find it more appealing to stream content off their PC.
The ability to stream any video/music/pictures from your PC, using the 360 as an extender with wifi conncection is really a very appealing feature for many people imo. Expecially when it hits the $99 pricerange, which should be right around the time Vista becomes widespread.
ninzel said:
hmm let me say this again:
1. You don't know what capabilites PS3 will have
2. You already said you were making assumptions. meaning you're assuming you'd never be able to do anything like this on 360 and will on PS3.
3. Even if PS3 lets you stream and download video via the internet (which i doubt it will via a browser), that doesn't remove the FACT that to get use out of the OTHER multi media features you still need a PC. If I have videos and Mp3's on a PC, you will still need to connect to that PC to access them via a network. Again making your first statment:
"none of that 360+PC crap to deal with"
...null and void. btw, drop the attitude, it's not needed.
ninzel said:
You still NEED a PC with the PSP. Which is the entire point I'm making. I have a PSP and if I want Mp3's on it, I stick the mem stick in my PC copy the files, and play them on the PSP. Same thing with video! Even worse I have to convert video to a certain format before playing. it doesn't play every video fromat either (just like the 360).
Do you understand what I'm saying, to get the benefit of the multi media functions of either console you're still going to need a PC. and your statement about before starting this discussion is basically in correct.
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ninzel said:
I'll believe it when I see it. Has it even been promised? You're assuming way too much.
For the sake of discussion, lets assume it's true, as I pointed out both systems will have advantages. 360 can do many things the PS3 will not, as far as interacting with your PC, PS3 will be more standalone, though it's functionality will probably be fairly limited.
Do you not think the ability to stream all your existing content off your PC is also a very desireable feature?
If you look at PSP, no flash support, no video codecs. Most online videos nowadays are flash encoded. What exactly am I going to be downloading for multimedia? MPG4 clips? How is this better than my PC which can watch and download everything in a much more user friendly and comfortable environment? How is this more desireable than the 360's media streaming capabilities?
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What exactly can the 360 do without your PC? See how that may be considered gimped in comparison to the PS3?scooby_dooby said:
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"*functionality requires a PC" is a selling point?scooby_dooby said:
Firefox doesn't suffice for intarwebs content? A default HDD and external USB storage can't be used for downloads?scooby_dooby said:
You mean beyond the same consumers that you do see reason for to install something called "Vista" on every PC they may or may not own, by 2007?scooby_dooby said:
I really don't see a reason for you not having seen any reason.
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WHAT IF I ALREADY OWN A PC?
You're entire argument seems to assume people do not own PC's. What planet do you live on? If you have a PC (hint: most people do) and it has content on it, then
a) you don't have need for any standalone device that offers some watered down imitation of PC capabilities
b) the ability to stream content off that PC to your living room is an extremely desireable.
I'm not arguing the 360 needs a PC, I'm simply pointing out that this is not necessarily a bad thing. If you're a consumer who owns a PC, then what is the problem? This is actually the ideal method of sharing the media you already have collected, a client/ server relationship with the PC as the server.
What, are we 12 years old now?? I said PC's sold in 2007 will come with Vista. If you fast forward to 2009, where vista is very widespread, the 360's functionality looks damn good, especially considering it will be so affordable by that time.
You're entire argument seems to assume people do not own PC's. What planet do you live on? If you have a PC (hint: most people do) and it has content on it, then
a) you don't have need for any standalone device that offers some watered down imitation of PC capabilities
b) the ability to stream content off that PC to your living room is an extremely desireable.
I'm not arguing the 360 needs a PC, I'm simply pointing out that this is not necessarily a bad thing. If you're a consumer who owns a PC, then what is the problem? This is actually the ideal method of sharing the media you already have collected, a client/ server relationship with the PC as the server.
What, are we 12 years old now?? I said PC's sold in 2007 will come with Vista. If you fast forward to 2009, where vista is very widespread, the 360's functionality looks damn good, especially considering it will be so affordable by that time.
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