PS3 in the US press...
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Well naturally everything that matters is located in US..Not.
To answer your question, yes, you can. It was a stupid remark.
scooby_dooby
Legend
Well I believe the point was Europe is irrelevant because it's still Sony country and will remain Sony country, 360 sales are low, and PS2 still has lots of legs there...not the Europe was irrelvant in general.
I believe the pricing has 0 effect on most European countries. I am dead serious when I say this, Europeans KNOW, it will cost them alot of cash, like every playstation has cost us some serious cash. PS2 was 500€ in launch, nothing new here.
I agree with your points about Wii and MS plans though. The real battle starts when Sony gets over production issues, then we will see if the Playstation brand is still living up to its name.
I agree - the price is high, but not that much more than the PS2 at the time. Considering a console is somewhat a future investment (and in my case has lasts up to 6 years or more) - the price of the console itself is peanuts. I appreciate the fact that they won't be making any money on memorysticks in the future too - those damn PS2 memorysticks are just too damn overpriced. If I would counter in the price of the the memorycards I bought for the PS2, the base price would be no lower than what the PS3 will end up costing me out of the box with more features.
It's best to prepare for the worst. MS is not done yet, and won't stop for the next few years.We'll have to see what price and value Sony can deliver, plus which partners they rope in by March.
There are exciting things in Sony labs, but they seem distracted again.
Here's another perspective from mainstream US press - taking a slightly different route as to how to write about PS3 and Wii:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/22/AR2006112201857.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/22/AR2006112201857.html
while i admire Nintendo for taking a different, more innovative route but i don't think they improve anything technologically in the wii while on the other hand the sony's ps3 has a lot of new cutting edge technology built into it and we should applauded sony for trying to do this not criticizing some glitches that are apparent in any launch system. I honestly find that the US mainstream media who know jack about gaming are biased against Sony simply because of Sony negative image during the last few months with the battery recalls for its laptop as well as the delay of the ps3 in Europe and many other smaller things.
PS3 hardware is rock solid, Blu-ray playback is excellent, nextgen games are promising, but reportedly its UI has many rough edges. Because the sign up process is tedious, I supposed this group of people did not get to try BlastFactor and the MotorStorm demo.
Further down the road, I fully expect a SIXAXIS Sports mini-game (a la Wii Sports).
Further down the road, I fully expect a SIXAXIS Sports mini-game (a la Wii Sports).
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I think as a gamming place we indeed are not irrelevant, I think we are just a bit behind the US or maybe even on similar level, and then I would concider that Europe still has a lot more potential to grow. But I do agree that we might be "irrelevant" when it comes to the 360 though, MS has a lot of work to do here, it will be a tough market for them for sure.
I guess we are used to high prices though so I don't think it will too much of a problem. As far as I can tell, the 20 GB version is just a bit more expenive than the original PS2 when launced so it isn't that bad. It is bad for Sony as I think they will be loosing more money though, especially as it seems they will be targeting many countries in Europe with the 20GB version which I guess they loose more money on.
On the other hand, the PS2 didn't have such a competitor when it launced so we will see how things turn out, interesting times ahead...
supervegeta
Banned
Hu what you say is the complete opposite reality there for my country, italy.
??? the ps3 cost double of what costed the ps2 then it camed out in italy, and is not like the people now get double of the money from their work.
Here from all the friends i have 599 euros are a mostruosity of money...they dont have all that money to trash to just buy a videogame console...maybe people in the us have more money to waste...but here in my country what you say make no sense.
I will never myself buy a console that cost that much...and so all my friend are of the same advise...for us cost is the first thing the look...and also the xbox360 now have a strong presence and i got one because it was only 100euros over what i consider the normail price for a console, that is 300 euros, that is acceptable begin a console with an amazing new tech, but if it was selled for 600 euros i would have never buyed it, even if it had hd-dvd and hdmi.
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Yeah Europe is "irrelevant" for MS ,except when various exclusive games on the 360 debut straight to n.1 on the U.K charts,a chart which counts every multiplatform game as one entityty(with every version counted).SW:KOTOR was the 1st xbox game to be n.1 there while the 360 has had several n.1 games already.But we are
I think as a gamming place we indeed are not irrelevant, I think we are just a bit behind the US or maybe even on similar level, and then I would concider that Europe still has a lot more potential to grow. But I do agree that we might be "irrelevant" when it comes to the 360 though, MS has a lot of work to do here, it will be a tough market for them for sure.
I guess we are used to high prices though so I don't think it will too much of a problem. As far as I can tell, the 20 GB version is just a bit more expenive than the original PS2 when launced so it isn't that bad. It is bad for Sony as I think they will be loosing more money though, especially as it seems they will be targeting many countries in Europe with the 20GB version which I guess they loose more money on.
On the other hand, the PS2 didn't have such a competitor when it launced so we will see how things turn out, interesting times ahead...
Third parties(THQ) are projecting at least 2.5 million xbox360 until the end of year,that's about half of the xbox's entire European userbase.European publishers like Ubisoft have xbox360 as their n.1 priority.
But yeah ,Europe is irrelevant for MS based on anecdotal evidence from fan boys on GAF that pull sales numbers out of their...you know what.
If only there was an NPD for Europe...(oh and i am from Europe)
Italy is always special. They have for a long time devaluated their currency over and over again to try to compensate for lousy financial policy. Inflation was soaring before you went into the euro. You particularly notice how bad inflation gets when you compare with other countries what you pay for import goods. Sony already anticipated for Italy that the demand for the 20gb version would be higher because you would be cost sensitive.
We used to make jokes that lire were like monopoly money. When we would go on holiday in Italy, we got like stacks of lire and paid in millions for basic stuff like a sandwich. I don't know how often Italy took 3 zeroes off their currency, but it was at least once.
I guess that is why Berlusconi is popular, despite being a man of questionable morals, he at least seems to pass some of his business sense on to the Italian economy.
(sorry for the harsh words on Italy, hopefully not too many Italians are offended)
supervegeta
Banned
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I guess we are used to high prices though so I don't think it will too much of a problem..
Excuse me ? Here i remeber perfeclty that no one buyed the xbox at the ridicolous proce of 475 euros it fisrt came out....they had to reduce to 300 euros for making people buy the thing...now please tell me again price is not an issue becasue this is completly laugable...
And also i am not used for hi prices....the ps1 costed 150 euros with games begin 45 euros,
the ps2 costed 300 euros with games begin 55 euros, making the new cost standard fro console of 300 euros...the xbox camed out at 475 euros and no one buyed it so it was lowered to 300 euros and the it started to sell well...the xbox360 cost 399 but it is very cool and you can justify the 100 more euros for the premium version...but...600 friggin euros are out of the quesion because it double again the standard price...and like i said....the people always het the same monet from work...
The PS3 20gb version costs 499 euros. I don't think it is acceptable at this time, after all the discussions that there have been about the price already, for you to keep repeating that stupid comparison of the 599 version against the 399 version of the 360.
The PS3 equivalent of the Premium version costs 499. Two years of Xbox Live already make up for the difference, and you get a BluRay player as a bonus. You can say whatever you like, but the PS3 is value for money. Maybe it is too expensive for you at this point, but if you say that the Premium is a nice price, but the PS3 20gb version isn't, then you are just not making sense.
supervegeta
Banned
I dont know from what planet you came from...but before the "berlusconi era" the economy were all but lousy.
And this have nothing to do with inflaction as the doubling of the price of the ps3 compard to the ps2 price is not the result of the inflaction but the result of a decision of sony, the only infalction that occurred in italy were caused by the introduction of the euro.
We used to make jokes that lire were like monopoly money. When we would go on holiday in Italy, we got like stacks of lire and paid in millions for basic stuff like a sandwich. I don't know how often Italy took 3 zeroes off their currency, but it was at least once.
Totally nonsense.
You seems not well informed as berlusconi is absolutly unpopular after the disaster he did in the last 5 yeas of government....he proved himself he knew nothing about politics...because fact is...he is not a politician...he was an industrial and he knew nothing about politics...if it was popular he would have not losed the elections...he promised a lot of things but he delivered nothing despite making a giant hole in the economy of the country...he cheated a lot of people with his fake good intentions and he arrived to the point to decalre in television that all the italians that would have not voted for him again where all assholes...and i am not jocking he said that for real...quite an arrogant and a disgusting person...but thanks to the god now he is gone and will never came back...thanks to the god now we have a real politician as president and not a carpet seller trying to do the politician...
I dont understand how the italians could be offended as sadly from your talk you know nothing about what are the real problems here...
But and i say really sorry for my digression, what i am talking about is not just about italy...in germany i remeber the same reaction aganist the initial xbox price of 479 euros...the sales were very poor...but after the price drop to 300 euros the sales shined so how can u explain this if like you say, in europe no one care about the price ?
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supervegeta
Banned
No it is not the same as the 499 version is not the premium version, if you make a comparison the 499 have to be compared to the 299 core version, and the premium xbox360 version to the premium ps3 version...because for 399 you get the best xbox version on the marked...while to get the best ps3 version with hdmi you must spend 599...
Also, if you are able to convince all my friends that 200 euros more are an acceptable difference...i think you could sell snow to the eskimos
