Yeah, but they still won't say if Project Natal uses 3DV technology. I'm guessing they're not. If they had they would have said by now. Just patent/IP protection.
Tommy McClain
Project Natal: MS Full Body 3D Motion Detection
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Yeah, but they still won't say if Project Natal uses 3DV technology. I'm guessing they're not. If they had they would have said by now. Just patent/IP protection.
Tommy McClain
It's been pretty much confirmed by Bill Gates that Natal will comes to PC too.
B.G hints at an early autumn launch.
No matter the technical merit of Natal I think the communication campaign will enormous and will likely have an huge impact on mindshare.
There's something else that interesting, costumer will be able to leverage Natal cost both on 360 and computer.
B.G hints at an early autumn launch.
No matter the technical merit of Natal I think the communication campaign will enormous and will likely have an huge impact on mindshare.
There's something else that interesting, costumer will be able to leverage Natal cost both on 360 and computer.
Clarification : Early Autumn 2010!
Also I wouldn't be at all surprised if it slips a lot. I doubt it'll arrive before Thanksgiving, but MS will push like stink to make that deadline. Still, things invariably overrun. This interestingly issues Sony a deadline too. They want motion controls out this year. If they can, they'll beat MS to the 'new interface' market by a year, which could mean significant mindshare. Depending on what Sony do with their tech.
I think it was clear enough but some clarification can't hurt.
Well so far Ms has been pretty much on schedule for every product than planned to launch. I don't think they will be late.
B.G stated that we are a little over a year away I've no reason to question his claim is a pretty reasonable timeline when we take in account what Ms demoed at E3, the fact that Dev kit were sent during same period and publisher had been adviced one or two months before that.
And the thing comes to PC, Ms has a lot of human work force, it's really serious for them, I don't think they will miss.
Sony promised spring 2010 and that's a pretty constrained time line. We will see what happen, Ms has made public their doubts in this regard.
Anyway Sony could gain mindshare but significant? I don't think so as it becomes more likely that Natal could launch almost simultaneously on 360 and PC the thing will play in another landscape, they are addressing a quiet bigger market than console market (and also will have quiet extra resources to back up the product).
They clearly aiming the device to every body owning a 360 or Pc they possibly intend to extend use of personal computer as media center for really "non computer savy" type of costumer.
I let you imagine the scale advertisement campaign, Ms has something to offer to a very wide audience,something that works on the 360 but also on their precious OS. A revolutionnary interfaced (whether it's true is irrelevant it will be marketed as such).
I would bet on a marketing bliss, Natal launch is important for Ms as a whole that change quiet some things.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
I'm still wondering how Sony is going to market this.
For something full range approaching Natal a person would need both the Eye Toy and Wands. Two seperate products. Will Sony going forward only sell them as a package?
How hard are they pushing devs to incorporate it this time around? Or will it be another half-hearted effort as has been the case with the Eye Toy?
It says something that I have more faith in a currently non-existant peripheral than I do in a currently selling peripheral combined with a currently non-existant one.
Regards,
SB
For something full range approaching Natal a person would need both the Eye Toy and Wands. Two seperate products. Will Sony going forward only sell them as a package?
How hard are they pushing devs to incorporate it this time around? Or will it be another half-hearted effort as has been the case with the Eye Toy?
It says something that I have more faith in a currently non-existant peripheral than I do in a currently selling peripheral combined with a currently non-existant one.
Regards,
SB
Aptina to be sole supplier of 1.3-megapixel CIS for new Xbox 360, say sources
I know they're claiming a new Xbox 360 system, but more likely it's meant for the add-on. Though somebody has suggested this before...
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/is-project-natal-really-a-xbox-360-vision-plus-/
Tommy McClain
DigiTimes said:
I know they're claiming a new Xbox 360 system, but more likely it's meant for the add-on. Though somebody has suggested this before...
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/is-project-natal-really-a-xbox-360-vision-plus-/
Tommy McClain
A proper HD camera then. What are those liek these days, regards cost and performance? Back in 2005, Live! Vision and PSEye were releasing into a market where full framerate, full HD video was pretty much non-existent, and expensive. With the progress of mobile phone cameras, I imagine CCD tech has jumped leaps and bounds and cheap, 60 fps HD cameras are a viable option. Or will we still be looking at 30 fps?
1.3Mpixel CMOS it's exactly like the actual X360 vision camera but 640x480 30fps for videos
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I take it you havent watched the videos yet, theres lots of issues with it not picking up the persons movements + this in a controlled environment.
In a less regulated environment like a persons home it will perform even worse.
For it to have any chance of success they need a successful bugfree launch pr else they will be stuck with a situation like wolfram alpha where the product didnt live up to the hype + after a week everyone has moved on.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
I have no idea where you are getting this stuff.
They have demonstrated it in a lot of standard and non-standard environments.
Everything from a well lit room, to a dimly lit hotel room, to a room with the lights off, to a soundstage, etc... It has worked well with one person and with multiple people from reports. Setting and lighting from all reports doesn't affect Natal in any way. The recognition problems it is currently having appear to be unrelated to lighting, setting, or color.
That said, at the time of E3, it obviously wasn't ready for prime time as it didn't recognize certain people's gestures in Burnout. I haven't seen reports where it had problems in other the other demo's. Other than the avatar glitching out briefly every now and then.
Regards,
SB
I think the issue is probably more that Microsoft needs to produce something that rivals Wii Sports, combined with making the device ready for mass production. Those two factors will determine the actual release date. The protoype probably works well enough, otherwise they wouldn't enter into that phase in the first place.
Oh. I imagine 30 fps is going to be pretty laggy for action games versus motion controllers. Then again refresh is likely going to be limited by the 3D processing, so a 60 fps feed won't benefit.
The depth perception shouldn't be affected by environment. Unless there are lots of butterflies in the room... This is where Natal has the advantage over normal cameras that are messed up by lighting conditions.
No matter what Criterion claims are I don't think that FPS is the reason behind laggy response.
Other question this data are for the VGA camera right? So we still know nothing about the most relevant part of the tech the IR camera and also the processing power (which will most likely play the main part in regard to laggyness).
Other question this data are for the VGA camera right? So we still know nothing about the most relevant part of the tech the IR camera and also the processing power (which will most likely play the main part in regard to laggyness).
Computer vision people will take 320x240x60fps anytime over 640x480x30fps, etc.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
I'll take 640x480x30 over 320x240x60 anyday of the week. Been there, done that with Quake 1/2
Regards,
SB
Regards,
SB
Silent_Buddha
Legend
Are you sure what you are talking about?
From both a gameplay and image recognition POV I'd take 640x480x30.
After all I'm not expecting to use this as a main controller for Twitch action games.
Regards,
SB
