Joe DeFuria
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Ailuros said:
OK, I'll bite....
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Power VR 5
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OK, I'll bite....
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The thousand years are over! *giggles like a schoolgirl*
Nebuchadnezzar
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*excited*
Megadrive1988
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go PowerVR force! 8)
Nebuchadnezzar
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Use LN2Sage said:
What sort of a beast (assuming high end pc/arcade) is assumed here? Can they take the crown soon or at all?
An 8x/12x/16x pipe setup (2/3/4 quad) with possible dual chip usage in Sega-Sammy's low-high end arcades? Maybe they could run in pairs as apposed to quads and keep efficiency due to the deferred nature???
What bandwidth would be required? Would a 256-bit memory interface be necessary? Radeon 9700/9800 level perhaps??
2 pipes = 128bit sdram (kyro 1/2)
4 pipes = 128bit ddr (kyro 3?)
8/12/16 pipe = 256bit ddr1/2/3 (pvr5?)
And what will happen with the pixel & vertex shading (shaders v3+). Will this be an area which has more advancements then other architectures?
Could we finally see a PPP or elements included here... could this be the issue with dx9c delays or is this more likely in dxNext??
An 8x/12x/16x pipe setup (2/3/4 quad) with possible dual chip usage in Sega-Sammy's low-high end arcades? Maybe they could run in pairs as apposed to quads and keep efficiency due to the deferred nature???
What bandwidth would be required? Would a 256-bit memory interface be necessary? Radeon 9700/9800 level perhaps??
2 pipes = 128bit sdram (kyro 1/2)
4 pipes = 128bit ddr (kyro 3?)
8/12/16 pipe = 256bit ddr1/2/3 (pvr5?)
And what will happen with the pixel & vertex shading (shaders v3+). Will this be an area which has more advancements then other architectures?
Could we finally see a PPP or elements included here... could this be the issue with dx9c delays or is this more likely in dxNext??
The most important info about PowerVR Serie 5 is: Could it render Mercedes Benz Truck Racing benchmark?
And if we still could see the "infamous" tire track "that should clearly be behind the truck"-march 2001.
And will PVR5 will support hardware transform and lighting, because it's important in games such as Diablo 2.
BTW it could be funny if IMGtech decide to answer to Nvidia's slides with a joke à la AMD (with the "Prescott survival kit").
And if we still could see the "infamous" tire track "that should clearly be behind the truck"-march 2001.
And will PVR5 will support hardware transform and lighting, because it's important in games such as Diablo 2.
BTW it could be funny if IMGtech decide to answer to Nvidia's slides with a joke à la AMD (with the "Prescott survival kit").
I dont think T&L will be an issue this time, arcade has had it for eons (from series 2 - ELAN unit) and even the tiny MBX Pro has a (dx8 level- v1.1) vertex shader unit.
Remember this is an architecture with a potential for Arcade(SEGA)/PC/Console so its obviously has to be significantly more powerful and advanced than at least the current Arcades and Consoles on the market else noone would use it.
On the PC Front, the shading power will be more of an issue this generation with Half Life 2, and other games based on it and other dx9 engines. The stencilling speed of the previous generations from PowerVR-namely Kyro, if continued through accordingly, should provide some impressive performance in the Doom3 engine by possibly offering increased Z-performance of recent architectures.
These games may be what is holding back the release, as well as SEGAs own arcade launch first, or is a PC Partner still needed, and this going to be Arcade-only?
I think many of the compatibility issues arise from developers not strictly sticking to the Open Standard APIs and carrying out techniques which are not recommended, but may work well on one particular common testing architecture/extension (shadermark tests anybody??).
Early drivers, I believe were responsible with Mercedes Benz, but Im pretty sure that a little testing would resolve these as with any new architecture. Ive read reports of the new NV40 failing to run/crash running some programs... its always going to be an issue early on in product's life cycle, and Im sure all the companies out there have buggy drivers, which crop up in one app or another.
Remember this is an architecture with a potential for Arcade(SEGA)/PC/Console so its obviously has to be significantly more powerful and advanced than at least the current Arcades and Consoles on the market else noone would use it.
On the PC Front, the shading power will be more of an issue this generation with Half Life 2, and other games based on it and other dx9 engines. The stencilling speed of the previous generations from PowerVR-namely Kyro, if continued through accordingly, should provide some impressive performance in the Doom3 engine by possibly offering increased Z-performance of recent architectures.
These games may be what is holding back the release, as well as SEGAs own arcade launch first, or is a PC Partner still needed, and this going to be Arcade-only?
I think many of the compatibility issues arise from developers not strictly sticking to the Open Standard APIs and carrying out techniques which are not recommended, but may work well on one particular common testing architecture/extension (shadermark tests anybody??).
Early drivers, I believe were responsible with Mercedes Benz, but Im pretty sure that a little testing would resolve these as with any new architecture. Ive read reports of the new NV40 failing to run/crash running some programs... its always going to be an issue early on in product's life cycle, and Im sure all the companies out there have buggy drivers, which crop up in one app or another.
IIRC, (AND I COULD BE WRONG), the application 'forgot' to tell D3D that it wanted to read the Z buffer. I think the driver update simply added an app hint in to correct that oversight.aZZa said:
Amusingly, I seem to recall another vendors system not working with MBTR...
I assume you looked through the PowerVR registry details??
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12724&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=5Vysez said:
Such a classic that slide has become... 
aZZa said:
I still don't see any need YET for multichip sollutions for Arcade machines, but that's just probably me.
I guess you were able to still find pipelines in the usual sense up to Series4.
*lifts shoulders*
As for future APIs there's a Geometry Shader and an (optional) Tesselation unit mentioned in the WGF specs; I doubt anything regarding topology or tesselation in that sense has all that much to do with former APIs (at least not in a similar sense).
