Possibilities of game data saving on PS3

[scooby_dooby]

anyways, im sure we will be able to use the other memory card slots for saves, and maybe even use the PSP or the PC to save our games. (via usb)

what makes you sure that Sony will toss hundred of millions of dollars out the window? Memory cards are big bucks, hell it's an extra $40 on EVERY SINGLE CONSOLE sold.

Keep dreamin!

 

[deathkiller]

Even if you could only save in Memory Stick cards you can transfer your saves to PC at any time like in the PSP (you can use a PSP for that if you don't hava another MS reader).

Only a few games of the PS2 uses Magic Gate DRM to prohibit save game copy, you would need a MS card with Magic Gate for then, I sopose.

 

[Bad_Boy]

if they really wanted to make money off the memory they wouldnt have added the SD and compact flash slots and all those usb slots.

 

[Titanio]

what makes you sure that Sony will toss hundred of millions of dollars out the window? Memory cards are big bucks, hell it's an extra $40 on EVERY SINGLE CONSOLE sold.

Keep dreamin!

You will undoubtedly be able to save to a PSP in the sense that you'll undoubtedly be able to save to Memory Sticks, which both use.

On a general note, Memory sticks are getting very cheap, and are getting cheaper and cheaper. I would guess we might see $40 1GB Memory Sticks next year. I think Sony could afford to simply put the storage requirements on the back of the box as mentioned earlier, and leave it be.

That said, there could be interesting consequences if Sony decided to insist on a minimum memory stick size for use with PS3. That could give game developers a little more flexibility about what they can and can't do in games, or do so easily, give them a little more reassurance aswell about how many people could technically use things like online downloads etc. Although I've some doubts Sony will do that.

 

[hugo]

It's one of the way how they could cut cost.The Xbox 360 requires you to buy a memory card/Hdd to save games but if the PS3 allows various formats,you have a big saver there.The extra could be diverted elsewhere like the BD drive as well.

 

[Titanio]

It's one of the way how they could cut cost.The Xbox 360 requires you to buy a memory card/Hdd to save games but if the PS3 allows various formats,you have a big saver there.The extra could be diverted elsewhere like the BD drive as well.

Not sure how it would save Sony money, if anything I would say their margins on their own mem sticks aren't nearly as great as on current dedicated PS2 cards. The support for compactflash and SD only adds cost to the system too - and if they did allow people to use that kind of media for game saves, it'd potentially cost them even more in mem stick revenue (they'd be getting nothing from the sale of SD and CompactFlash cards). Which is why I expect them to at least insist on either Memory Sticks or HDD for PS3 game saves and the like.

 

[Mefisutoferesu]

How many of these formats does Sony produce? I know they have SD, but they make the others as well right? Consumers are often willing to pay a bit more for "official" products. So perhaps we'll see Sony release cards as always, but they'll be the "OFFICIAL" ones and will have a certain minimum data amount that the devs can rely on and they'll still get some business because they're "official".

 

[therealskywolf]

I think for game saves.....Sony wont allow you to use any other than a MEmory card. For other type of media, sure you will be able to use anything probably.

 

[scooby_dooby]

if they really wanted to make money off the memory they wouldnt have added the SD and compact flash slots and all those usb slots.

LMAO, that is some grade A excellent logic there my friend. They don't need to remove the slots to render them useless for game saves.

By your logic, since MS included 3 USB 2.0 slots are you SURE they are not requiring proprietary MC's too? Oh wait...they are!

The flash and USB ports are for looking at images, or other media like mp3's, not for game saves....

Maybe they'll let you save on a PSP, and naybe you will be able to use your PSP memory sticks, but that's about it...I wouldn't be surprised of the PSP functionality is also limited to multi-media, however allowing game saves VIA psp probably wouldn't impact their bottom line alot since there's really not that many PSP's out there.

 

[hugo]

Not sure how it would save Sony money, if anything I would say their margins on their own mem sticks aren't nearly as great as on current dedicated PS2 cards. The support for compactflash and SD only adds cost to the system too - and if they did allow people to use that kind of media for game saves, it'd potentially cost them even more in mem stick revenue (they'd be getting nothing from the sale of SD and CompactFlash cards). Which is why I expect them to at least insist on either Memory Sticks or HDD for PS3 game saves and the like.

MS Duo Pro is now a hit with PSP users.I mean people will consider that if it works with the PSP why not get the Ms Duo Pro since it also works with the PS3.The are using the PS3 brandname to market their memory card standard(MS) as well.Smart Sony.

About the saving money idea,no I was trying to say that by going with general memory cards,console buyers need not need to worry about buying memory cards to save games if they have only the MS cards.All these while older generation consoles require a memory cards to save games.There is where the unnecesary money that will be spent.By maintaining or encouraging their own MS standard they can maintain revenue and divert their customer to spent more on the core console set instead.

 

[scooby_dooby]

that's great for people who own a PSP and have purchased an additional MS DUO memory card, but what percentage of users is that?

very small.

i dunno i just don't see sony passing up the money, pretty sure they'll force us to use a 64mb or 128mb card that retails for $40, Sony has always nickled and dimed the consumer so I don't see why they would stop now.

PSP was different since it's a $300 handheld that is supposed to play multimedia, they simply have to provide affordable memory cards, otherwise the price becomes excessive and PSP would not be competitive. PS3 is completely different, it's a next gen console that will be an extremely good value for the money, they have no reason to give us super cheap non proprietary memory.

 

[Titanio]

i dunno i just don't see sony passing up the money, pretty sure they'll force us to use a 64mb or 128mb card that retails for $40, Sony has always nickled and dimed the consumer so I don't see why they would stop now.

While I could imagine Sony offering PS3 branded memory sticks for a premium (although I don't believe they did this for PSP..), standard Sony memory sticks, and other brands etc. which will work just as well can be gotten much more cheaply than that for those capacities. You can get 1GB for $60 right now if you buy online and take advantage of rebates. 256MB/512MB sticks can be gotten for less, obviously.

 

[valioso]

While I could imagine Sony offering PS3 branded memory sticks for a premium (although I don't believe they did this for PSP..), standard Sony memory sticks, and other brands etc. which will work just as well can be gotten much more cheaply than that for those capacities. You can get 1GB for $60 right now if you buy online and take advantage of rebates. 256MB/512MB sticks can be gotten for less, obviously.

How can you say that other sony cards will work as well, when it has not been confirmed that it will be used for game saves?
I dont think Sony is going to give away the cash cow that memory cards are.

At first everyone thought that the usb connectors on the xbox 360 would allow you to use the usb drives to save game data, until it was confirmed by MS that that's not the case.. you really expect Sony to not make money of memory cards? That's wishful thinking.

 

[Titanio]

How can you say that other sony cards will work as well, when it has not been confirmed that it will be used for game saves?
I dont think Sony is going to give away the cash cow that memory cards are.

There is no memory card slot on PS3...

you really expect Sony to not make money of memory cards? That's wishful thinking.

They make money off memory sticks. They made it the standard memory for PSP. I expect the same for PS3.

 

[Bad_Boy]

LMAO, that is some grade A excellent logic there my friend. They don't need to remove the slots to render them useless for game saves.

it just seems like sony is finally opening up. hell, they could have chose not to allow mp3's on the psp like their other digital devices and cell phones, but they did. (including their own format ofcourse)

By your logic, since MS included 3 USB 2.0 slots are you SURE they are not requiring proprietary MC's too? Oh wait...they are!

sony != MS...or did something happen that the world doesnt know about yet?
cmon man, my computer doesnt even have 6 usb ports. i dont see why they would add all those usb ports, sd card and compact flash drives and not allow game saves on any of them. i could see them not doing it with usb flash drives, as they dont work for the psp, but definately usb to pc.

time will tell bro, dont whine about it.

The flash and USB ports are for looking at images, or other media like mp3's, not for game saves....

tell that to my psp + ps2, i can view save games, media, and applications using usb. (on ps2 exploits are needed. but still) hell, i can even load up a entire game using a usb hard drive.

like i said, pretty sure they will allow the saves to be put on the PC like the psp, so space shouldnt be a issue AT ALL if they do this.

Maybe they'll let you save on a PSP, and naybe you will be able to use your PSP memory sticks, but that's about it...

even if they did'nt allow you to save directly to the psp, the smart thing to do would be to just take the memory stick out and put it in your ps3 :/

like it was said above, memory sticks are going to be dirt cheap come next year so if somehow you cant save on these new formats i dont see why some are bitching. i bought my 1 gig duo stick for 97 a few months ago, ive seen them go for 60 bucks at some places already. if you can buy a ps3, you can afford a 32mb duo come next year to save your games on.

 

[valioso]

There is no memory card slot on PS3...



They make money off memory sticks. They made it the standard memory for PSP. I expect the same for PS3.

So they are going to find a way to restrict to using only sony branded sticks?

 

[Titanio]

So they are going to find a way to restrict to using only sony branded sticks?

No, they didn't do this on PSP and I don't see why they'd do it on PS3 (despite not taking royalties on other brands, as I found out when I looked this up just now - they take an initial licensing fee, but not per sale royalties).

 

[scooby_dooby]

The PSP cannot be compared to the PS3, 2 different markets, 2 different strategies, 2 different pieces of hardware.

Like I said, they opened up the PSP out of necessity, PSP was marketed as a portable media player, in order to have a compelling prduct, media needed to be large and inexpensive.

Ths PS3 is completely different. It's a system to play games, not a portable handheld. There is absolutely no motivation for them to provide large inexpensive memory cards.

It does nothing but lose Sony money, it's not going to happen.

- badboy, why does the number of slots mean anything? 1 SD slot is the same as 10 SD slots when it comes to game saves, you are only ever loading off one stick, so how in the world does the presence of multiple slots lead you to believe they will support game saves?? 1 SD slot is as indicitive of this as 20 would be.

I had to laugh at your point the PS2 supports USB devices using exploits, do you think for a second that PS3 and X360 won't also have 3rd party exploits to use USB devices? Point is it won't be supported out of the box.

 

[Titanio]

The PSP cannot be compared to the PS3, 2 different markets, 2 different strategies, 2 different pieces of hardware.

Like I said, they opened up the PSP out of necessity, PSP was marketed as a portable media player, in order to have a compelling prduct, media needed to be large and inexpensive.

Ths PS3 is completely different. It's a system to play games, not a portable handheld. There is absolutely no motivation for them to provide large inexpensive memory cards.

Making memory a commodity for the users removes one hurdle to getting them to download stuff from the net, for example - which is an area where Sony certainly can make money.

Anyway, what your suggesting is that while Sony will use memory sticks for game saves, you'll only be able to use Sony's own memory sticks, and not other brands. I think the likelihood of this is slim to none - it wouldn't be Memory Stick anymore, it'd be a proprietary format. I'm sure the licensing agreement between Sony and third party manufacturers include stipulations that all memory stick supporting systems will accept their sticks too. A memory stick is a memory stick is a memory stick. If it wasn't going to support all memory sticks they wouldn't label it as supporting them, they'd call it something else.

 

[Bad_Boy]

There is absolutely no motivation for them to provide large inexpensive memory cards.

who said sony has to provide them? you can buy sd and compact flash cards from anyone now adays. I think sandisk makes the cheapest.

- badboy, why does the number of slots mean anything? 1 SD slot is the same as 10 SD slots when it comes to game saves, you are only ever loading off one stick, so how in the world does the presence of multiple slots lead you to believe they will support game saves?? 1 SD slot is as indicitive of this as 20 would be.

according to your reasoning the xbox360, gc, ps2, ps1, and other consoles should only have 1 memory card slot. why do they all have more than 1 memory card slot? the answer is simple, sharing/copying saves. so if the ps3 only has one duo slot, since ps1--this mc game save copying would be over? i doubt it. it wouldnt be hard for sony to enable saving on these other formats, and i doubt they would loose much money than they been have. if you buy a duo stick these days your most likely going to buy a sandisk over sony anyways, due to cost.

sony isnt the only one who sells memory stick duo's so it isnt like it is an propritory format even if they didnt allow the other formats. so i figure, if your not going to use your own format exclusively and have other formats right next to each other, why not enable them all?

sure they could enable save copying by allowing usb to the pc like the psp, but according to you it would be insane to do that right because sony wants the psp to have absolutely nothing to do with the ps3?

we will see bro, no need to argure countless posts over it. hopefully they will tell us something more about the ps3 at tgs, but i dont think we will hear much about the save game info till next year. :/