I'm from California, and we also used the Five Mississippi rush count. Hell, we used the "Mississippi count" for lots of things that required an ad hoc timer.I'm from the North-East Ohio area and we also used a Five Mississippi Rush count as well for Yard Ball. I never would have thought it was used elsewhere.
Poll: How accurate is XB1 voice control?
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"Mississippi" is used in the UK too. That and "elephants" and "one thousand" ("one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand") for approximating seconds.
I agree, there's definitely room for a qualitative investigation, but that's larger than the scope of a simple online poll. And also the motivation of this poll was in direct response to an assertion about who XB1 users were finding their XB1 voice control experience. Zed claimed that users were reporting it was hit and miss. I didn't get that impression. I narrowed it down to a representative poll that clearly shows otherwise - very high accuracy in many tasks, hit and miss in others. Ongoing investigation could help understand the strengths and weaknesses of the platform. We also haven't covered accents and dialects.
Bigus Dickus
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Oh yeah, we occasionally used the one-thousand count too. Should have remembered that.
I would have never guessed Mississippi was so widespread in use... even the UK!? Wild.
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Today in kotaku
http://kotaku.com/the-biggest-disappointments-of-2013-1486725094
http://kotaku.com/the-biggest-disappointments-of-2013-1486725094
The second bolded part is what ppl should be concerned with, and to repeat myself for the umpteenth time wheres the non party/dance etc kinect games MS?
That's one report of inaccuracy. We have another here (poll vote for "Terrible. Hardly works") and five "About 75-80%"'s who have qualified that for key functions it's nigh 100% accurate.
We have 70% voting 90%+ accuracy.
So why are you emphasising one singular report? Add it to the above metrics if you want it to be part of the overall assessment, but taking one report in isolation is bad form and unscientific. Unless you have reason to believe the results here are nullified for some reason?
That's OT. This poll exists entirely to address the point of evidence you raised. You claimed that users on this forum were saying Kinect Voice Control is hit-and-miss. I think this poll is pretty clear in that you were wrong on that point. Users were not, and certainly are not saying now, that VC is hit-and-miss. At this point, you really should retract your comment and say, "Okay, the users on this board aren't having much trouble." If you really want to persist with the viewpoint that Kinect voice input isn't much good in real households, you'd then need to find some evidence like that Kotaku report, only you'll need more than one report to make a convincing argument.
Honestly did you expect BRiT,AlphaWolf, eastmen,Johnny Awesome, RobertR1, Scott_Arm, Silent_Buddha, Tap In (oddly I dont see Rangers or Joker454 and a couple of others there) to say anything less than positive about anything MS related?
I mean seriously
you want more kinect impressions
I posted the on stage MS video recently where its nowhere near 100%
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/11/21/xbox-one-review-part-one-pre-launch-impressions/
the verge
techcrunch
(oddly I dont see Rangers or Joker454 and a couple of others there) to say anything less than positive about anything MS related?
I mean seriously
First, I don't own an xbox one and hence can't comment on this poll. I suppose I could be like others and spew out Facts (tm) even when they don't own the box, have never used one and/or have no clue how the device actually works, but I'll leave that to the spreaders of fud or those that like to parrot imbecility from others forums to this one.
Second, if you haven't seen my countless negative posts towards "anything ms related" then that's your failing not mine.
I trust all of those guys.Honestly did you expect BRiT,AlphaWolf, eastmen,Johnny Awesome, RobertR1, Scott_Arm, Silent_Buddha, Tap In (oddly I dont see Rangers or Joker454 and a couple of others there) to say anything less than positive about anything MS related?
I mean seriously
you want more kinect impressions
I posted the on stage MS video recently where its nowhere near 100%
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/11/21/xbox-one-review-part-one-pre-launch-impressions/
the verge
techcrunch
I've seen IGN's live video and I was impressed. Voice commands work flawlessly for me in certain games -100% accuracy- and in certain languages -I should try Portuguese, but my accent is the problem-. English is basically flawless for me, too, except for the Xbox Snap thing if I don't space both words out.
Voice commands like Play or Fast Forward -which are so simple yet the console didn't interpret them right on the IGN's video- work amazingly well for me.
Kotaku is biased, no less.
So you consider the response to be invalidated by the bias of the contributors? That's you're prerogative, but it renders discussion on this board moot. Everyone can happily ignore the opinions of anyone they disagree with by claiming bias and false reporting. It really does seem like the console wars has escalated to the point no-one's willing to listen to reason. Every single thread becomes fanboys claiming bias.Honestly did you expect BRiT,AlphaWolf, eastmen,Johnny Awesome, RobertR1, Scott_Arm, Silent_Buddha, Tap In (oddly I dont see Rangers or Joker454 and a couple of others there) to say anything less than positive about anything MS related?
I mean seriously
I've speculated, and hoped, that the current trend would die back to normality once the new wave was over, but maybe the cynics were right and it really is time to axe the console forum. I see so little maturity and impartiality in so many of the discussions that it's plain tiring to partake. Case in point: You cite the users of B3D as saying Kinect doesn't work well. The same users of B3D vote that it does work well, explaining times it doesn't. You then fob of the results of that population that you earlier cited as in support of your view.
"These people say it doesn't work very well."
"No we don't."
"Oh, well, you guys aren't speaking truthfully then."
I've considered you one of the reasonable contributors over the years, but even you are now being utterly illogical in your arguments. The infection is perhaps too deep. Laa-Yosh and Joker almost only post to say how biased the Sony fanbots are. Boardbonobo, who's been here longer than I have, only posts anti MS, pro Sony stuff, with complete inbalance. The number of people who engage in sincere, unprejudiced discussion about boxes of electronics is so very much the minority now, I don't really see the point in a discussion board. B3D's console forum is platform for fossilised opinions to be chucked against each other and incessant non-too-subtle accusations about each other.
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Brodda Thep
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I can see the point of the detractors. I voted 90% in the poll. That is true, most of the time. However, I live in a small apartment and when the dishwasher is running and/or the water is running in the sink the xbox misses commands a lot. Trying to give it commands over someone talking is difficult. I would say it drops to 50%.
My wife really doesn't like the system at all. Then again she is native Japanese and has a strong accent and even then it is 70% for her. But that 70% is enough for her to not like it.
What irritates me is how bad the kinect camera seems to be. Using your hand to navigate and push buttons can be very frustrating. There must be a better way.
Another pet peeve is the youtube application. This thing is garbage. It is always picking up random sounds and changing videos. Or if you sing along with a song it always picks up your voice as some sort of command. Shameful. Though I don't think that is Microsoft's fault.
Next up, we have Bing. The voice recognition here is much better. And the lag isn't that bad. I really wish that they had kept this console on-line only. Then the entire voice recognition could be as good as Bings. I am actually surprised that microsoft backed off on this bit. If they had kept it online they would have access to a treasure trove of voice data to train their systems on.
However, I think that a lot of this is temporary until they can get a more natural voice recognition system installed similar to Siri. Cortana?
On the whole I am very happy. Add in a chromecast and I can ignore the horrible youtube application and stream videos using Plex while retaining voice control over nearly everything.
My wife really doesn't like the system at all. Then again she is native Japanese and has a strong accent and even then it is 70% for her. But that 70% is enough for her to not like it.
What irritates me is how bad the kinect camera seems to be. Using your hand to navigate and push buttons can be very frustrating. There must be a better way.
Another pet peeve is the youtube application. This thing is garbage. It is always picking up random sounds and changing videos. Or if you sing along with a song it always picks up your voice as some sort of command. Shameful. Though I don't think that is Microsoft's fault.
Next up, we have Bing. The voice recognition here is much better. And the lag isn't that bad. I really wish that they had kept this console on-line only. Then the entire voice recognition could be as good as Bings. I am actually surprised that microsoft backed off on this bit. If they had kept it online they would have access to a treasure trove of voice data to train their systems on.
However, I think that a lot of this is temporary until they can get a more natural voice recognition system installed similar to Siri. Cortana?
On the whole I am very happy. Add in a chromecast and I can ignore the horrible youtube application and stream videos using Plex while retaining voice control over nearly everything.
Grew up in Guam and always used the "Mississippi count" for flag football. We had to count out loud so that everyone knew we weren't cheating.
I agree, I personally don't have an issue with a list for my games collection, especially if (like on steam) I can favourite a few at a time. I have nearly a hundred games on Steam iirc, and lists are still comfortable and manageable for me.
I actually kinda like lists as they remind me of what I have and what I might like to revisit and/or complete.
Yep, completely agree.
I think MS are looking at something well beyond just game streaming to everything streaming. This way games, music, movies, tv, to be accessing seamlessly and instantly. I think that they think being being able to provide this to the big telly in the house will be an important entry point to consumer consciousness, and to influencing a customer's choice of "integrated product provision".
For what they want, I think voice and gesture are necessary. Strings for general searches (of web, stores, or your own inventories) and gesture for specifics in lists and menus (and metro is a kinda 2D menu). And the gesture is good but not quite accurate enough for keyboard.
Totally with you on a finger tracking keyboard though. When they happen recurring voice errors are infuriating and a gesture kb (while slower than a physical kb) would be a hugely useful feature.
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Silent_Buddha
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Honestly did you expect BRiT,AlphaWolf, eastmen,Johnny Awesome, RobertR1, Scott_Arm, Silent_Buddha, Tap In (oddly I dont see Rangers or Joker454 and a couple of others there) to say anything less than positive about anything MS related?
I mean seriously
Excuse me? I have absolutely ripped into Microsoft's A-hole for some of their decisions with Windows on this very forum (how the UI for IE is significantly worse than it was in version 7 for example). I'm hardly always going to say positive things about them. There isn't a single company in existence that I have only positive things to say about. The closest would be Blizzard but even there they royally F-d up on Diablo 3.
Regards,
SB
...or your favorite, to complain about cloud computing being killed on console. I do rail on fanboys quite a bit because they are toxic to a forum and can decimate it it short order. This forum in the past has had fanboys reasonably contained but this year the fanboy fud is simply off the chart to where reading this forum leaves you more confused than not reading it. Seriously, there is so much misinformation posted especially this year that sometimes I wonder wtf is the point? I've mostly left this forum as a result except to check every now and then to see if the fud machine had dropped to less than 9000 rpm, which invariably leads to me posting about the various utter nonsense I read which then makes me once again wonder why I even bother because even if I spent 12 hours a day countering fud I wouldn't even make a dent in it. Even in this very thread which you made you have to deal with people insisting that voice recognition doesn't work reliably even though they don't even own the product! Does that make any sense to anyone on this planet or the next?
I've noticed I have issues with motion control in one of my two livingroom chairs. The one that gives me problems has arms. I think the arms of the chair confuse it. I'm guessing they expect sofas, but I've never bothered getting one for my apartment. Having people over is a rare occasion for me, so I never bothered. Every once in a while, it seems to think I have my hand up, when I don't. Only happens sitting in that chair. The armless chair is fine. That's a definite problem.
Still can't figure out why I have issues with "Xbox On." Maybe I have more of a Canadian accent than I think, and it's throwing off the 'o' sound. Could be why I also have a lower hit rate with the volume commands.
Like I said earlier, my environment is the ideal case, I think. I can fully accept that some people would have a much lower hit rate in a noisier environment, or from having a heavy accent. It's something people should consider before buying. Hopefully over time the software will better be able to handle those issues. The 360 OS certainly evolved a lot over the years. Not sure how much they can dedicate to improving the voice control. Is it a software issue, a resource issue (hardware reserve) or a hardware limitation that can't be fixed? It'll be interesting to see.
Don't lie. You and I both know that you've been attending our regular fanboy meetings in secret. I for one am going to fully embrace my new outed MS-fanboy status. First I'm going to stop recommending that people buy the console their friends are getting. Then I'm going to throw out my macbook, blackberry and kindle. I'm going to go and buy a whole bunch of Surface tablets, and get a tattoo of the Windows Logo, that office paperclip guy and Bill Gate's face.
Its really silly for people to make thought experiment arguments and cite that as the reason why Kinect doesn't work well or in some cases at all. I picked the 75% bracket as it doesn't work flawlessly for and/or can be inconsistent. Sometimes it responds to commands I simply whisper. Other times it ignores commands (the same commands) in a loud voice.
Yet in trying to achieve similar traversal of the UI I prefer voice whole heartedly over the controller. I only want to use a controller to play games. Not to type letter, words or addresses and certainly not to traverse a UI.
Kinect works about as well as I expected. Actually I expected a lot worse. Now I expect my tv to respond to voice commands and would feel like a Luddite not having it.
Yet in trying to achieve similar traversal of the UI I prefer voice whole heartedly over the controller. I only want to use a controller to play games. Not to type letter, words or addresses and certainly not to traverse a UI.
Kinect works about as well as I expected. Actually I expected a lot worse. Now I expect my tv to respond to voice commands and would feel like a Luddite not having it.
Yes and no. Perhaps this was the wrong topic to engage in a discussion, but i thought it was largely relevant to the topic at hand. The way I see it, voice control is extremely difficult to gauge or put into a rating of % when talking about accuracy.
A user / voter could be voting a 90% hit rate because all he uses the VC for are commands that work. On the other hand, a user voting less than 50% might be concentrating on commands that dont work half of the time. Then again, a 90% vote could also represent accurately a full in depth attempt to test all the commands in both ideal and less ideal circumstances. What it comes down to, is the use-case. As i raised before; if a 9 out of 10 commands work, does that constitute a 90% vote? Or would it be more relevant to say 9 commands had a 100% hit rate while one command had to be repeated 6 times, so the hit rate would effectively be 66%? Both votes would seem unfair / inaccurate, but then there's probably no ideal way to put something like this into a % rating (IMO). It's, afterall, not like remote with 10 buttons that simply work. If one fails, the button is simply 'broken' but the rest will still have a close to 100% hit rate. Not quite that simple to gauge in VC as its such a complex device mechanic.
As a opinion marker from owners, it's great poll. It's as indicative as a poll asking its members 'in %, how happy are you with your console'. People focusing on what they like will naturally vote higher than members that dont.
I dont quite share Shifty's downbeat fashion about the fanboyism in here. Xbox One is in the headline of pretty every topic precicely because it's trying to revolutionize in an area that hasnt been done on this scale before. Will it succeed? Will it not? I'm here mainly to discuss on the possibilities. I might not be an owner, but that doesnt mean i cant have an opinion or raise valid points/concerns.
What we need are topics for Xbox owners where the lucky few that have one can sit down and geek over their toy - and leave other topics where things are analyzed open for critical and constructive discussion. As long as the raised points are raised in a way that they provoke constructive discussion in a respectful manner, i dont see an issue.
The Xbox One is an interesting topic because it's trying to be more than a console. So while the console itself might deserve a rating of 90%, it may not if you view it as a multi media device. Perhaps we need better rules to define where we can talk about which aspects of the device?
People must have an impressive amount of spare time to go into threads of games and consoles they don't own or ever intend to (firmly entrenched in one camp) and continuously make counter points. I'm just envious of their free time.
For me at least, part of the appeal of the xb1 outside of it being the console my social circle also picked up or is planning to, revolves around having a device that simply attempts to do something different than what has been expected of a traditional console in the past.
Seeing that software has a tendency to evolve and seeing how the Xbox 360 evolved so much over its life cycle on such a small OS and resource foot print, it leaves me pretty confident that the xb1 will do the same and even more so.
The problem with such a multi purpose device is that your expectation of a certain feature can be weighed differently than mine. Arguing that you and I need to be aligned on our level of importance of certainly functionality is a bottomless pit.
I'm not picking out people in particular but this seems to be the general recurring theme in these time suck arguments.
For me at least, part of the appeal of the xb1 outside of it being the console my social circle also picked up or is planning to, revolves around having a device that simply attempts to do something different than what has been expected of a traditional console in the past.
Seeing that software has a tendency to evolve and seeing how the Xbox 360 evolved so much over its life cycle on such a small OS and resource foot print, it leaves me pretty confident that the xb1 will do the same and even more so.
The problem with such a multi purpose device is that your expectation of a certain feature can be weighed differently than mine. Arguing that you and I need to be aligned on our level of importance of certainly functionality is a bottomless pit.
I'm not picking out people in particular but this seems to be the general recurring theme in these time suck arguments.
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