Perfect Dark 0- almost as good as GoW

[jvd]

Then what the heck were they showing at the MTV thing?! :?

They did not have a major jump in quality in 1 week. Something just is not right here...

what do u mean 1 week ?

I believe it was 3 weeks since the mtv special was filmed

 

[Acert93]

Then what the heck were they showing at the MTV thing?! :?

They did not have a major jump in quality in 1 week. Something just is not right here...

what do u mean 1 week ?

I believe it was 3 weeks since the mtv special was filmed

I thought it was filmed the Thursday before the MTV special on the 12th. 2 or 3 weeks... somewhere in there. Heck the tourny stuff could have been even before...

We are still talking big jumps.

 

[jvd]

well it depends . Ms could have gotten negative recations the day of the filiming inregards to the graphics . So they put rare to work upping the detail . It could be that + the fact that the build they used was older to make sure it was stable to have people running around fighting at the show and the build they have today is newer . Heck it can be over a month newer for all we know .

 

[blakjedi]

MS has everyone and their mother talking about how the XDKs at E3 are only 25%-33% of the final console's power (or whatever it is).

Now, I think this is beyond MS's ability to predict, but they seem to have a great reaction so far. They're showing games and impressing the socks off a lot of people. Then they hit them with the alpha kit PR and the wonder is put back in their minds.

Next, they attack Sony for not showing real-time games. It's totally PR and borders on the despicable, but like I said, it's PR.

It almost seems like MS's conference was a feint and Sony took the bait. But I don't think MS is that crafty. At any rate, their current plan seems to be working great.

Inane Dork this post should be its own thread. I have been thinking about the all the recent revelations regarding games like GoW, GR3, PDZ and the new info we've been receiving on the Xenos chip set ( I consider the combinantion edram and R500 a chipset) and you may actually be absolutely right. I think MS let SOny bring out their big guns andSony fired of everything they had not realizing that A) they have now set the bar for their games so high that they may disappoint their fanbase and that B) they have given MS even more time to shock and awe us later this year when they drop mindblowing experiences on us.

Everyone says that MS and SOny launch is six months apart but its no more than four (Dec - March). That said I feel liek we still dont really know whats in Xenos and wont until the July Devkit is released. They seem to be holding everything close to their chest and Sony has shot its wad...

Like I said great post.

 

[jvd]

FPS I'll be really disappointed if we can't keep a steady 30 at worse and would prefer 60 but given time scales 60 may not be possible (I'm personally fussy about framerate so I'll try for a steady 60fps)

DeanoC on heavenly sword a ps3 game


Guess you wont be buying a ps3 ?

 

[passby]

The observation follows:

#1) Screens and clips that we CAN see disappoint.

#2) Commercial gaming sites tell us 'Hey no it's AWESOME'! Except they don't show any screens and clips to prove it. Mysteriously PR does not demo these 'drop-dead-gorgeous-awesome-ownz-you' screens/clips publicly in E3.

Conclusion: $$$ can lift games to new heights of splendour, transform Rare to god-like developer status, and people believe the commercial gaming sites.

 

[Acert93]

If you look at IGNs post conference summary they do not hold any punches. I doubt they got paid money to change their tune. They even note that the MTV/screen grabs look nothing like what they played and are just as confused.

This is not the only example. CoD2 is the same deal. The Kameo feeds on the net are way better than the trailer. It more seems like MS is unorganized.

 

[Inane_Dork]

It more seems like MS is unorganized.

Yep. Thank fate that it's ending on the up note instead of the down note. I'd much rather have it this way than the other way around.

 

[Evi]

Microsoft's whole presentation was very disorganized.

But um...I'm glad to hear that PDZ will look incredible. 8) But if this is the case, I don't know why they've been giving us these super crappy looking screenshots. Maybe it was all an evil conspiracy?

 

[London Geezer]

well it depends . Ms could have gotten negative recations the day of the filiming inregards to the graphics . So they put rare to work upping the detail . It could be that + the fact that the build they used was older to make sure it was stable to have people running around fighting at the show and the build they have today is newer . Heck it can be over a month newer for all we know .

Wow... so, after years of lazying around, they finally start pulling their own weight in the last month?
What exactly have they been doing all these years, and after all the money they're getting!?

I mean... that would mean that even I do more work than them. And that's just not physically possible.

Anyway, happy to see that whatever happened, PD0 (am i the only one who keeps saying "panzer drag... DOH... perfect dark" in his head?) seems to look the part.

 

[pc999]

The build that the press is trying it have 8 weeks old (from teamxbox).

So more confused

 

[jvd]

Wow... so, after years of lazying around, they finally start pulling their own weight in the last month?
What exactly have they been doing all these years, and after all the money they're getting!?

So you mean making an engine , getting it to runable standard , with multiplay that works is not doing anything ? Don't forget they have changed platforms for a third time . Who is to say how much work needs to be redone

 

[Martin Eddy]

MS has everyone and their mother talking about how the XDKs at E3 are only 25%-33% of the final console's power (or whatever it is).

Now, I think this is beyond MS's ability to predict, but they seem to have a great reaction so far. They're showing games and impressing the socks off a lot of people. Then they hit them with the alpha kit PR and the wonder is put back in their minds.

Next, they attack Sony for not showing real-time games. It's totally PR and borders on the despicable, but like I said, it's PR.

It almost seems like MS's conference was a feint and Sony took the bait. But I don't think MS is that crafty. At any rate, their current plan seems to be working great.

Inane Dork this post should be its own thread. I have been thinking about the all the recent revelations regarding games like GoW, GR3, PDZ and the new info we've been receiving on the Xenos chip set ( I consider the combinantion edram and R500 a chipset) and you may actually be absolutely right. I think MS let SOny bring out their big guns andSony fired of everything they had not realizing that A) they have now set the bar for their games so high that they may disappoint their fanbase and that B) they have given MS even more time to shock and awe us later this year when they drop mindblowing experiences on us.

Everyone says that MS and SOny launch is six months apart but its no more than four (Dec - March). That said I feel liek we still dont really know whats in Xenos and wont until the July Devkit is released. They seem to be holding everything close to their chest and Sony has shot its wad...

Like I said great post.

I'm inclined to agree with both of you. The plan may be to get Sony to rest on their laurels, and then come December, XBOX 360 comes out and blows everybodies minds.

 

[talyn99]

I hope by GoW, you mean God of War. I have the book with Gears of War, and Perfect Dark DOES NOT come close

 

[Acert93]

I hope by GoW, you mean God of War. I have the book with Gears of War, and Perfect Dark DOES NOT come close

Go read the first post and the link to IGN.

IGN stated it looked almost as good as Gears of War.

 

[Kolgar]

MS liked 30fps with Xbox because it was a way to make its games look better than Sony's.

MS likes 30fps now because it is a way to make its games look almost as good as Sony's tech demos.

 

[Acert93]

MS liked 30fps with Xbox because it was a way to make its games look better than Sony's.

No PS2 games ever chugged and ran at 60fps ::cough:: GTA3:SA ::cough::

MS likes 30fps now because it is a way to make its games look almost as good as Sony's tech demos.

And it has nothing to do with first gen software, rushed launch titles, and no dev kits.



Kolgar, there is enoughy fanaticism on both sides, you know that! Don't throw fuel on the fire!

Not saying PS3 games wont look better... but the things posted above are just going to start a needless flame fest. Please, lets not feed trolls. Thank you.

 

[Kolgar]

MS has everyone and their mother talking about how the XDKs at E3 are only 25%-33% of the final console's power (or whatever it is).

Given the beating MS took over the early showings of the original Halo, why wasn't it smart enough to come out of the gate this time saying, "AND REMEMBER, these games are running on dev kits at ONLY A FRACTION of the POWER!"

Them saying it NOW only makes it look like damage control.

 

[Kolgar]

Kolgar, there is enoughy fanaticism on both sides, you know that! Don't throw fuel on the fire!

Not saying PS3 games wont look better... but the things posted above are just going to start a needless flame fest. Please, lets not feed trolls. Thank you.

Uh, dude, I was having a bit of fun. Is fun not allowed on this board? These ARE games we're talking about, right? NOT life and death?

Mods, if fun is not allowed, please tell me and I will leave this board forever.

Thank you.

P.S. And yet, for all my fun, I think it's a good point. MS wants to look better than PS3, just as it wanted to look better than PS2. Halving the frame rate is a way to do that... But I'm with Phil. This is next-gen - let's see some more 60hz games!

P.P.S. If most 360 games, especially the racers, launch at 30hz, and "rushed launch titles" and "no dev kits" are the reasons for that, then I find that disappointing. Take the time to do it right, MS - or learn to get your **** together earlier. I'm not going to buy your product just 'cause it's the first out of the gate... I'll only buy it if it lives up to my expectations for what real next-gen games ought to be.

 

[jvd]

P.P.S. If most 360 games, especially the racers, launch at 30hz, and "rushed launch titles" and "no dev kits" are the reasons for that, then I find that disappointing. Take the time to do it right, MS - or learn to get your **** together earlier. I'm not going to buy your product just 'cause it's the first out of the gate... I'll only buy it if it lives up to my expectations for what real next-gen games ought to be.

Please . Do you not remember the japanese ps2 launch titles ?

Anyway the developers of full auto said it plays at 60fps already and will be 60fps at launch