oh SH*T, Photos of NV35 and prelim benchies!!!!!

I wouldn't count on it being much faster than the 9800 Pro at comparable IQ. ;)

MuFu.
 
Mufu... Why do you think the NV35 is loud? Everyone I've talked to that has a 5800 vanilla card says that the fan sounds about the same as a normal card's fan... This 5900 Ultra fan looks to be the exact same design... Is it really that loud?
 
Mufu, I've trusted you and done some research on the GeForce FX 5800 fan... oddly enough, it turns out that the thing is extremely loud. Reviews of the Compro, Inno3d, and Pixel View GeForce FX 5800s say that the thing uses a delta fan and is very high pitched and loud!!!!

I seriously hope that nVidia has reworked the fan a little bit for this card... I will not buy it if it is loud. And worse yet, if I wanted to put a Zalman on the thing, I couldn't because of the RAM spacings :(
 
surfhurleydude said:
Mufu, I've trusted you and done some research on the GeForce FX 5800 fan... oddly enough, it turns out that the thing is extremely loud. Reviews of the Compro, Inno3d, and Pixel View GeForce FX 5800s say that the thing uses a delta fan and is very high pitched and loud!!!!
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Well it's pretty obvious now that it doesn't use the fan from a 5800 (non-Ultra) and uses a centrifugal unit instead... like the 5800 Ultra. I might be wrong here, but I believe they need to spin pretty fast to be effective due to having a small blade area and radial flow pattern.

I like the offset fan design but surely such a system would be more effective if the HS was enclosed?

MuFu.
 
??? I'm fairly certain the NV35 uses the same fan of the GF FX 5800 non ultra...

http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/vga/nvidia/fx/fx5800/compro_fx5800/2.shtml

http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/vga/nvidia/fx/fx5800/gainward_fx5800/1.shtml

Check those two pages out and then check the screen shots of the NV35... Hell, even the screws that hold the plate over the heat sink are placed in the same exact areas on the 5800 Ultra and the 5900 Ultra... I still may be wrong, but they certainly look enough alike. Either way, I think it's not a good thing, unless maybe nVidia got Panasonic to make their fans :LOL:
 
I have one of these baby's too, I'm just having a tough time pulling it out of my ass... so far it seems to be a bit loud, as well
 
MuFu said:
Well it's pretty obvious now that it doesn't use the fan from a 5800 (non-Ultra) and uses a centrifugal unit instead... like the 5800 Ultra. I might be wrong here, but I believe they need to spin pretty fast to be effective due to having a small blade area and radial flow pattern.
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Actually no, it's pretty silent comparing to FlowFX.
 
Sage said:
I have one of these baby's too, I'm just having a tough time pulling it out of my ass... so far it seems to be a bit loud, as well
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No...NO..... NOOO! I'm not gona go there....... even though... well, NO! I'm just not! :oops:
 
surfhurleydude said:
??? I'm fairly certain the NV35 uses the same fan of the GF FX 5800 non ultra...

http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/vga/nvidia/fx/fx5800/compro_fx5800/2.shtml

http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/vga/nvidia/fx/fx5800/gainward_fx5800/1.shtml

Check those two pages out and then check the screen shots of the NV35... Hell, even the screws that hold the plate over the heat sink are placed in the same exact areas on the 5800 Ultra and the 5900 Ultra... I still may be wrong, but they certainly look enough alike. Either way, I think it's not a good thing, unless maybe nVidia got Panasonic to make their fans :LOL:
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Sorry yeah - not sure quite what I was thinking. Maybe one of the 3rd party boards threw me off. Either way... some pretty schitzo posts from m00f, LOL. :LOL:

DegustatoR said:
MuFu said:
Well it's pretty obvious now that it doesn't use the fan from a 5800 (non-Ultra) and uses a centrifugal unit instead... like the 5800 Ultra. I might be wrong here, but I believe they need to spin pretty fast to be effective due to having a small blade area and radial flow pattern.
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Actually no, it's pretty silent comparing to FlowFX.
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Well the non-Ultra HS/fan unit is supposedly "pretty silent" compared with the FlowFX, but according to many parties it is still intrusively noisy and has a constant ultra high-pitched ESC whine. Is it any different from that?

MuFu.
 
"3. I like to support good enginnering. Making a card that needs a HUGE heatsink and fan to compete with another card with a regular size one is not good enginnering. Ever wonder how even the R300 would pown this card with the same coolong? "

I buy a card based upon picture quality, FPS performance, quietness, and value. I suggest that other reasons may be based on the "loyalism" you apparently deride.
 
Agree with the above poster. Taking up two slots should be a non-issue for most people, as the PCI slot next to the AGP is rarely used. In fact I have not come across one mobo where I could use the slot next to the AGP.
 
/snicker at martrox... i know what you were going to say, i constructed the statement to make you think it :p
 
ExtremeTech has some interesting performance speculation.

The NV35 should essentially be an NV30 chip with a 256-bit DDR-1 memory interface bolted on, according to analyst Hans Mosesmann of the Soundview Technology Group.

The NV35 should increase performance over the NV30 by at least 20% in our opinion, at least for most applications," Mosesmann wrote. "However, for those who are looking for unambiguous leadership, we expect that the NV35 will not be much better (if at all), than the current ATI Radeon 9800 in applications with DX9 full precision shading turned on. Not that big a deal really in the overall competitive dynamic, but the enthusiast crowd may be slightly disappointed."

Mosesmann, who correctly predicted Nvidia's early GeForceFX manufacturing problems, also wrote that he expects the NV40 will tape out this fall, but begin production early in 2004.

"Hence, the battleground at the high-end for this fall will probably be a speed/driver tweaked NV35 from Nvidia, and a speed/driver tweaked Radeon 9800 (R350) from ATI," Mosesmann wrote. "Of note, ATI had planned its R400 product for this fall, however three key issues have delayed this chip until spring 2004 given that three major industry dynamics will not hit the market until then: 3GIO, DDR3 memory, and (Microsoft's) DX9 pixel shader 3.0."
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Pete said:
ExtremeTech has some interesting performance speculation.

"Hence, the battleground at the high-end for this fall will probably be a speed/driver tweaked NV35 from Nvidia, and a speed/driver tweaked Radeon 9800 (R350) from ATI,"
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Not entirely accurate, IMO. ATi still has some latitude with the .13u process. They could put out a significantly faster core for the R350 chip this fall while Nvidia is obviously already pushing the speed boundaries of current lithography. And I can see them doing just that for the fall OEM refresh.
 
Pete said:
ExtremeTech has some interesting performance speculation.

However, for those who are looking for unambiguous leadership, we expect that the NV35 will not be much better (if at all), than the current ATI Radeon 9800 in applications with DX9 full precision shading turned on. Not that big a deal really in the overall competitive dynamic, but the enthusiast crowd may be slightly disappointed.
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Mosesmann, who correctly predicted Nvidia's early GeForceFX manufacturing problems, also wrote that he expects the NV40 will tape out this fall, but begin production early in 2004.
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The first one is the key point really. Far too many people have been saying they've been disappointed with the published/leaked 3DMark score, since they were expecting some huge, 200% increase in performance. The NV35 will, overall, basically match the R350, winning in a couple of areas. Nothing more... Seems some people have gotten "Next Gen" mixed up with "Refresh" - The performance increases aren't the same!

The second point is speculation on his part, since (as it stands now) it's scheduled to tape out in 2 months. If that target can be met, there really is no reason they can't get it out by Year's end - Unless they need 4 or 5 respins, a la NV30 of course :)
 
John Reynolds said:
Pete said:
ExtremeTech has some interesting performance speculation.

"Hence, the battleground at the high-end for this fall will probably be a speed/driver tweaked NV35 from Nvidia, and a speed/driver tweaked Radeon 9800 (R350) from ATI,"
Click to expand...
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Not entirely accurate, IMO. ATi still has some latitude with the .13u process. They could put out a significantly faster core for the R350 chip this fall while Nvidia is obviously already pushing the speed boundaries of current lithography. And I can see them doing just that for the fall OEM refresh.
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I'm guessing ATI will release Loci around October. Just a guess, though.
On the plus side for nVidia, the NV40 will be launched at about the same time as Loci hits the retail shelves - if they're lucky. If they're unlucky, there might be one or two months of difference.

BTW, the NV40 doesn't use GDDR3. It'll use next-gen GDDR2.


Uttar
 
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