OH NO! Is this the start of the US attacking Iran?

[ByteMe]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle....PL3Q4ECRBAEOCFEY?type=topNews&storyID=3510066

"The White House said earlier Iran had "one last chance" to comply with nuclear safeguards and threatened to take the dispute to the U.N. Security Council if Tehran refused."

I can easily see Iran being the next Iraq, as in the USA invading.

 

[Willmeister]

The USA can't even keep law in order in a nation of 30 million that are relatively concentrated in larger centres. Think they have the ability to rule over 100 million that are relatively more distributed over a larger land area much less both?

I think not....

 

[nonamer]

Empty rhetoric. Iran is about 3 or so times big than Iraq. Attacking them will be ugly and brutal, something that I serious doubt Bush is willing to do, nor is he able politically.

 

[Vince]

Something that I serious doubt Bush is willing to do, nor is he able politically.

Actually, I've heard the opposite case made and it has a logical basis.

Besides, Iran is a cesspool. I'd much rather see it fall from within, which it eventually will with help from the regional effects that a democratic Iraq state bring to the table. But, if the IAEA and UNSC are willing to get their hands dirty and stick to their word for once - then perhaps it's time.

 

[ByteMe]

Something that I serious doubt Bush is willing to do, nor is he able politically.

Actually, I've heard the opposite case made and it has a logical basis.

Would it go something like, if the country is at war then the president gets more support (patroitism) ? I could see that.

 

[zurich]

God.

 

[nonamer]

Something that I serious doubt Bush is willing to do, nor is he able politically.

Actually, I've heard the opposite case made and it has a logical basis.

Would it go something like, if the country is at war then the president gets more support (patroitism) ? I could see that.

Not much patriotism if they initiate a draft, deficit runs a trillion plus every year, thousands die. etc...etc.

 

[epicstruggle]

Not much patriotism if they initiate a draft, deficit runs a trillion plus every year, thousands die. etc...etc.

Is it like the thousands of american soldiers that were supposed to have died during the war with Iraq?

later,
epic

 

[nonamer]

Not much patriotism if they initiate a draft, deficit runs a trillion plus every year, thousands die. etc...etc.

Is it like the thousands of american soldiers that were supposed to have died during the war with Iraq?

later,
epic

We're talking about a real war here you know.

Besides, we could still see thousands die in the Iraqi war.

 

[epicstruggle]

We're talking about a real war here you know.

if it wasnt a war what was it? A bad vacation. Look soldiers died. Dont cheapen their deaths. It was a war.

Besides, we could still see thousands die in the Iraqi war.

Many here used their mighty military knowledge to quote thousands and thousands would die from the war. I believe the actuall figure was under 100. (forgive me if im wrong). Since major combat operation we have had many more deaths, but I doubt we will get much higher. (as in more than 100 more).

later,
epic

 

[nonamer]

We're talking about a real war here you know.

if it wasnt a war what was it? A bad vacation. Look soldiers died. Dont cheapen their deaths. It was a war.

Please don't use empty rhetoric at me. It was a "war," but clearly a small war relative to what will happen with Iran. Iran is much bigger in size and population than Iraq. It will be more bloodier.

Besides, we could still see thousands die in the Iraqi war.

Many here used their mighty military knowledge to quote thousands and thousands would die from the war. I believe the actuall figure was under 100. (forgive me if im wrong). Since major combat operation we have had many more deaths, but I doubt we will get much higher. (as in more than 100 more).

later,
epic

Technically, thousands of Iraqi died in that war, but I guess they don't count. The "major combat operation" period there was about 100 deaths, but it's about 200 afterwards. We will go much, much, higher. We're in a open ended conflict with no resolution in sight and with the situation arguably getting worse day by day, and we're fighting a guerilla war.

 

[epicstruggle]

Please don't use empty rhetoric at me. It was a "war," but clearly a small war relative to what will happen with Iran. Iran is much bigger in size and population than Iraq. It will be more bloodier.

So a small war isnt a real war? At what point is a small war a real war. Could you please enlighten me. Im curious why do you think that the iran war will be bloodier.

Technically, thousands of Iraqi died in that war, but I guess they don't count. The "major combat operation" period there was about 100 deaths, but it's about 200 afterwards. We will go much, much, higher. We're in a open ended conflict with no resolution in sight and with the situation arguably getting worse day by day, and we're fighting a guerilla war.

Yes thousand of iraqui did die, but i thought we were talking how many soldiers we lost(will loose). isnt that why you said:

Besides, we could still see thousands die in the Iraqi war.

Since we know thousand of iraqis died. I conclude that your quote above is about the number of soldiers we lost(will loose).

later,
epic

 

[jvd]

If we are going to do it lets just get it done with. Why we spend time rebulding just doesn't make sense to me. The people that live there should rebuild not us. We freed them. Its up to them to make the most of that freedom. When we won or freedom no one came and rebuilt the u.s.a . We did it ourselves. Thats the problem today. Everyone expects us to get them out of a jam and then fix thier problem instead of doing it them selves .

 

[Humus]

WTF?
You bust into a country, and think it's up to them to solve the problem that it caused? Of course getting rid of Saddam was needed, and of course they wanted the freedom, but the responsibility for the aftermath of the war must be on those who fought the war. If you just went in, got rid of Saddam and then left, the country would fall apart and the regime quickly be replaced with a new one, which might even be worse. If there's supposed to be democracy in Iraq, then proper rebuilding and support from the west is needed.

As for Iran, I have more hopes for the regime to fall apart by itself. There are already plenty of people that are willing to fight against the regime, which has been shown by all the student protests and everything.

 

[jvd]

WTF?
You bust into a country, and think it's up to them to solve the problem that it caused? Of course getting rid of Saddam was needed, and of course they wanted the freedom, but the responsibility for the aftermath of the war must be on those who fought the war. If you just went in, got rid of Saddam and then left, the country would fall apart and the regime quickly be replaced with a new one, which might even be worse. If there's supposed to be democracy in Iraq, then proper rebuilding and support from the west is needed.

As for Iran, I have more hopes for the regime to fall apart by itself. There are already plenty of people that are willing to fight against the regime, which has been shown by all the student protests and everything.

If we rebuild it will never be thiers and they will never be happy with what they have. They have to do it alone.

 

[Dr. Ffreeze]

All,

I would like to see us do Iraq right. By "right" I mean do the right thing by the people of Iraq. I would like to see security increase, all basic services come on line, the establishment of a democratic government that Iraqi citizens want (not what US citizens want), and sovereignty turned over to them.

I think the biggest threat to Iran and the fundamentalist in that region is to see a well run democratic Iraq.

Dr. Ffreeze

 

[ByteMe]

All,

I think the biggest threat to Iran and the fundamentalist in that region is to see a well run democratic Iraq.

Dr. Ffreeze

Excellent the above.

One perspective from some friends of mine that used to be Iranian citizens until 6 years ago. They return to visit relatives in iran every year.

They told me that when the USA went into Iraq MOST Iranians were hoping they didn't stop at the border and would take out the Iran's goverenment also. No shit. I was surprised. So I asked them don't the Iranians hate the USA? They said that most in fact did NOT hate the USA but most did distrust the USA but they respected our strength. AND they HATED their current government.

They went further because now I was interested. They explained that any of the Iranian people that had an education would prefer the USA to invade Iran than not. Hmmm makes you think.

 

[Sxotty]

The war in Iraq was small here is why, for the last 11 years we have been bombing them on and off, that alone helped a ton. In Iran we would have to start at square one, it would be a much more difficult conflict. I realize we would win, but the cost would be higher.

I think we should leave them alone and let them collapse as well. The people will only hate us more if we did something.

 

[Fruitfrenzy]

I think it is safe to assume that a large portion of the people in Iran who are currently working towards a regime change would quickly unite against a common foe if Iran was invaded by America.

You are fooling yourself if you think an invasion would be welcome.

 

[L233]

I think the biggest threat to Iran and the fundamentalist in that region is to see a well run democratic Iraq.

Ah, that's the demented Bush Doctrine. All it supposedly takes is Iraq as a shining example of freedom and democracy and all those neighbouring countries would marvellously see the light and become open, democratic societies.

It's some sort of "Democratic Domino Theory" and it will end up right next to the original Domino Theory on the garbage (and corpse) pile of history.