Official F1 2005 Thread
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Actually, putting it in Frank Williams' words, that article stinks.
What Frank commented on when he said the atmosphere in F1 stinks and the way that article only quoted what it wanted to, totally changed what Frank actaully said.
US
What Frank commented on when he said the atmosphere in F1 stinks and the way that article only quoted what it wanted to, totally changed what Frank actaully said.
US
(Instead of posting something constructive like whinging about new rules)
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All that mess comes just from Ecclestone's politics. Ferrari wanted to dump F1, together with Mercedes, Williams and a few others and start a manufacturer series. Ecclestone managed to make Ferrari opt out of the group by giving them a bunch of money, thus killing the whole thing.
All that mess comes just from Ecclestone's politics. Ferrari wanted to dump F1, together with Mercedes, Williams and a few others and start a manufacturer series. Ecclestone managed to make Ferrari opt out of the group by giving them a bunch of money, thus killing the whole thing.
Except, so far, its done the opposite - rather than killing the manufacturer series Honda, Toyota and two of the independants have now signed up to its governing principles.
Well BMW (Williams + another), Mercedes (McLaren), Renault, Toyota and Honda are now all in the opposing camp. Only Ferrari has signed to the new concorde agreement whilst two are still sitting on the fence.
Whether or not the actual series gets off the ground is irrelevant, but the likely senario is that a series will run with a fairer team commerical and technical structure and without Mosely.
Whether or not the actual series gets off the ground is irrelevant, but the likely senario is that a series will run with a fairer team commerical and technical structure and without Mosely.
Mosley is only a honorary worker, it's Ecclestone doing all that politics stuff. He's going under, though. He only owns 25% of the business now and will be thrown out by the three banks who bought 75% last year. They sued him and will win with a vengeance, since they still don't run the business although they are the mayority.
There's a good article about the whole affair in the current issue of GQ, just read it yesterday. Nice read.
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Meaning, if all that legal stuff works out as it's supposed to, there will be no need for another series, F1 will be ok again.
There's a good article about the whole affair in the current issue of GQ, just read it yesterday. Nice read.
EDIT:
Meaning, if all that legal stuff works out as it's supposed to, there will be no need for another series, F1 will be ok again.
They are up in arms over the commercial issues surrounding the distribution of funds (in general and with the new deal with Ferrari) and they are also up in arms over the percieved leaning towards Ferrari's thinking (the meeting in which only Ferrari turned up and Mosley agreed a lot of things with them didn't help) and the fact that Mosely had implemented multiple changes at the last minute under the "safety" banner which have just served to increase costs and the manufacturers don't like the changes.
KeillRandor
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Well - I finally got to borrow my Dad's copy of the GPWC DVD that came with a copy of Autosport magazine a short while ago (it's the racing series they're launching thats tempting (at least trying to tempt) some of the teams away from F1 - (in case you didn't knw 
).
I have to admit - it looks pretty slick. If I was Mosley or Bernie, I'd actually be a little nervous... Looks like they might have some more serious competition heading their way... (Which is either good or really bad).
).I have to admit - it looks pretty slick. If I was Mosley or Bernie, I'd actually be a little nervous... Looks like they might have some more serious competition heading their way... (Which is either good or really bad).
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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GPWC isn't just about keeping more of the money for themselves, it's also about self-determination - probably prompted by resentment of the large financial advantage and slanted playing field Ferrari have enjoyed that have helped them to their dominant position.
The recent massive bribe to Ferrari to stay with Ecclestone has had the effect of driving many teams that were sitting on the fence into the arms of the GPWC.
After all, if it ends up being Ferrari and Ecclestone on one side, and GPWC on the other with all the other teams and manufacturers, who is going to be doing any racing and selling the all-important TV rights? It isn't going to be the series with only one team on the starting grid, no matter how successful and famous they might be.
The recent massive bribe to Ferrari to stay with Ecclestone has had the effect of driving many teams that were sitting on the fence into the arms of the GPWC.
After all, if it ends up being Ferrari and Ecclestone on one side, and GPWC on the other with all the other teams and manufacturers, who is going to be doing any racing and selling the all-important TV rights? It isn't going to be the series with only one team on the starting grid, no matter how successful and famous they might be.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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_xxx_ said:
The difference now is in the last few years a lot of the teams are now half owned by the car manufacturers (more last year before Ford got out). Now there's some real money and corporate motivation behind it.
I think originally the rebellion was intended to be used as a lever for the teams to get fairer terms out of Ecclestone, but as Ecclestone's positioned hardened and he once again dumped a load of money onto Ferrari, the teams and corporate suits on the other side of the table have been angered and become committed to the GPWC.
GPWC has gone from being something to scare Ecclestone, into a way for the teams to decide their own fate and get a more fair share of the money. I can really see it happening if Ecclestone doesn't do some compromising to cut it off.
GPWC has all the teams but Ferrari, and all the manufacturers but Ferrari. GPWC has almost all the support that counts. It could really happen this time around.
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Well it was the first race of the season .. and well hopefully the racing will get better as teams find out how well their tyres actually hold up.
Until then .. it's boring atm.
US
Until then .. it's boring atm.
US
Unknown Soldier
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Sunshine and showers
As always the weather could play the deciding role in this weekend’s Malaysian GP with blistering hot conditions giving way to thunderstorms.
Thursday should see the first of the wet weather with thunderstorms forecast for much of the day. A high of 36 and a low of 24’C are expected for the day.
However, the weather should clear ahead of Friday’s two practice sessions. A high of 36 and a low of 23’C have been forecast together with a North Easterly wind of 6mph.
The sweltering conditions will prevail on Saturday as well with no chance of rainfall during the day’s only qualifying session. Both the morning’s two practice sessions and Qualifying One are expected to take place under clear and sunny skies, with the day’s high reaching 37’C.
However, the weather conditions will take a turn for the worse on Sunday and there’s a strong chance rain will fall during the afternoon’s 56-lap Malaysian GP.
Forecasters are predicting sunny spells as well as thunderstorms for the day. A high of 34 and a low of 25’C are expected together with a 2mph North Easterly wind.
News Source: Planet-F1
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FIA clarification dents BAR's engine plans
Jenson Button and Takuma Sato could be docked ten places on the Malaysian GP grid if BAR goes ahead with its plans to race with new Honda engines in round two of the Championship.
Although both drivers were classified in race one, the Australian GP, neither actually finished the race, as BAR called them into the pits at the end of the penultimate lap.
The team’s reason for doing this was they had hope to exploit a loophole in the new engine regulation that states that a driver’s engine may be changed after just one race should he fail to finish that event. And having a new Honda engine instead of one that’s a race-old in the heat of Malaysia would be a huge advantage for BAR.
However, the FIA have put a dent in BAR’s plans after issuing a statement clarifying the new regulation.
“A distinction will now be made between failing to finish and choosing not to finish,†an FIA statement said.
“The former is normally accidental or beyond the control of the driver, while the latter is not.â€
“In order to ensure the purpose of the regulation is fully respected, and unless the reason is completely clear, in future we will require the team of any driver who fails to finish the first of two races to explain the circumstances surrounding the retirement to the stewards of the meeting.â€
This means that should either Button or Sato race with a new engine at Sepang the matter will be referred to the stewards and they could face a ten-grid slot penalty.
The FIA’s clarification comes just hours after Toyota slammed BAR “exploiting†the regulations.
"There has been a lot of controversy surrounding loopholes in the new rules but exploitation of such grey areas is against our understanding of racing," said Luca Marmorini, the technical director of Toyota's engine programme.
News Source: Planet-F1
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Ferrari preview the Malaysian GP
Ferrari drivers Rubens Barrichello and Michael Schumacher look ahead to round two of the F1 World Championship, the Malaysian GP...
Rubens Barrichello: "In a way, people are having to work for two races at a time, rather than working on the limit for one, so in Sepang we will see how the cars really perform. This is the real test. I have a certain mileage on my engine and I will have to look after it. It is an unknown for us. Is the car tough enough to keep on going? Will I have to pace myself? There are a lot of question marks, but I will be out to enjoy the experience: tyres, drivers and engines must all last to the very final corner."
"Michael has less mileage on his engine so he will probably be able to run more laps in free practice. But we operate as a team at Ferrari and so that will be good for me too. Over the course of the year, managing the situation if me and Michael end up out of synchronisation in terms of whether we are doing our first or second race with the same engine will be an interesting situation. I don’t know if that will arise with us too often, given our good reliability record. But it is a probability. At some tracks, as a driver you need more laps to get comfortable and that will certainly apply when we visit a new circuit, like in Turkey for example, where we need to learn the track."
"We have two very good guys, Luca Badoer and Marc Gene, testing for us and that meant Michael and I were able to have a break, which is going to be very important in such a long season."
Michael Schumacher: "The start of this Championship was very different to last year's. I scored zero points at the Australian GP and not the usual ten. Those that see this as a problem are welcome to; I don't see one. There will be a new hand dealt in Malaysia and I think that we have a chance of doing well."
"As ever the heat and humidity will play a very important role in determining who has managed to prepare best for the race. This year there is also the uncertainty generated by the new rules: most teams at Sepang, in fact, will be using engines that have already been employed for a whole grand prix weekend. More, facing qualification and race with a single set of tyres is not easy. So we have to wait to see exactly how this all plays out on the track. I can only state that Ferrari has, in recent years, been extraordinarily reliable."
"The circuit is an interesting one, as I have said in the past. It is very wide and so offers the chance to experiment with different racing lines. This is something we don't often encounter on the tracks we race on. At Sepang you have to try out different trajectories before opting for the ideal one. I'm not to sure what to expect from the Grand Prix of Malaysia. In the past few years the relative strengths displayed in Australia and Malaysia have always alternated. What is certain is that I can't wait for the race and that I want to score my first points in 2005, naturally as many as I can!"
News Source: Planet-F1
As always the weather could play the deciding role in this weekend’s Malaysian GP with blistering hot conditions giving way to thunderstorms.
Thursday should see the first of the wet weather with thunderstorms forecast for much of the day. A high of 36 and a low of 24’C are expected for the day.
However, the weather should clear ahead of Friday’s two practice sessions. A high of 36 and a low of 23’C have been forecast together with a North Easterly wind of 6mph.
The sweltering conditions will prevail on Saturday as well with no chance of rainfall during the day’s only qualifying session. Both the morning’s two practice sessions and Qualifying One are expected to take place under clear and sunny skies, with the day’s high reaching 37’C.
However, the weather conditions will take a turn for the worse on Sunday and there’s a strong chance rain will fall during the afternoon’s 56-lap Malaysian GP.
Forecasters are predicting sunny spells as well as thunderstorms for the day. A high of 34 and a low of 25’C are expected together with a 2mph North Easterly wind.
News Source: Planet-F1
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FIA clarification dents BAR's engine plans
Jenson Button and Takuma Sato could be docked ten places on the Malaysian GP grid if BAR goes ahead with its plans to race with new Honda engines in round two of the Championship.
Although both drivers were classified in race one, the Australian GP, neither actually finished the race, as BAR called them into the pits at the end of the penultimate lap.
The team’s reason for doing this was they had hope to exploit a loophole in the new engine regulation that states that a driver’s engine may be changed after just one race should he fail to finish that event. And having a new Honda engine instead of one that’s a race-old in the heat of Malaysia would be a huge advantage for BAR.
However, the FIA have put a dent in BAR’s plans after issuing a statement clarifying the new regulation.
“A distinction will now be made between failing to finish and choosing not to finish,†an FIA statement said.
“The former is normally accidental or beyond the control of the driver, while the latter is not.â€
“In order to ensure the purpose of the regulation is fully respected, and unless the reason is completely clear, in future we will require the team of any driver who fails to finish the first of two races to explain the circumstances surrounding the retirement to the stewards of the meeting.â€
This means that should either Button or Sato race with a new engine at Sepang the matter will be referred to the stewards and they could face a ten-grid slot penalty.
The FIA’s clarification comes just hours after Toyota slammed BAR “exploiting†the regulations.
"There has been a lot of controversy surrounding loopholes in the new rules but exploitation of such grey areas is against our understanding of racing," said Luca Marmorini, the technical director of Toyota's engine programme.
News Source: Planet-F1
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Ferrari preview the Malaysian GP
Ferrari drivers Rubens Barrichello and Michael Schumacher look ahead to round two of the F1 World Championship, the Malaysian GP...
Rubens Barrichello: "In a way, people are having to work for two races at a time, rather than working on the limit for one, so in Sepang we will see how the cars really perform. This is the real test. I have a certain mileage on my engine and I will have to look after it. It is an unknown for us. Is the car tough enough to keep on going? Will I have to pace myself? There are a lot of question marks, but I will be out to enjoy the experience: tyres, drivers and engines must all last to the very final corner."
"Michael has less mileage on his engine so he will probably be able to run more laps in free practice. But we operate as a team at Ferrari and so that will be good for me too. Over the course of the year, managing the situation if me and Michael end up out of synchronisation in terms of whether we are doing our first or second race with the same engine will be an interesting situation. I don’t know if that will arise with us too often, given our good reliability record. But it is a probability. At some tracks, as a driver you need more laps to get comfortable and that will certainly apply when we visit a new circuit, like in Turkey for example, where we need to learn the track."
"We have two very good guys, Luca Badoer and Marc Gene, testing for us and that meant Michael and I were able to have a break, which is going to be very important in such a long season."
Michael Schumacher: "The start of this Championship was very different to last year's. I scored zero points at the Australian GP and not the usual ten. Those that see this as a problem are welcome to; I don't see one. There will be a new hand dealt in Malaysia and I think that we have a chance of doing well."
"As ever the heat and humidity will play a very important role in determining who has managed to prepare best for the race. This year there is also the uncertainty generated by the new rules: most teams at Sepang, in fact, will be using engines that have already been employed for a whole grand prix weekend. More, facing qualification and race with a single set of tyres is not easy. So we have to wait to see exactly how this all plays out on the track. I can only state that Ferrari has, in recent years, been extraordinarily reliable."
"The circuit is an interesting one, as I have said in the past. It is very wide and so offers the chance to experiment with different racing lines. This is something we don't often encounter on the tracks we race on. At Sepang you have to try out different trajectories before opting for the ideal one. I'm not to sure what to expect from the Grand Prix of Malaysia. In the past few years the relative strengths displayed in Australia and Malaysia have always alternated. What is certain is that I can't wait for the race and that I want to score my first points in 2005, naturally as many as I can!"
News Source: Planet-F1
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Veteran
First Free Practise:
Second Free Practise:
Code:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Zonta Toyota (M) 1:34.092 17
2. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:35.144 + 1.052 15
3. Liuzzi Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:35.691 + 1.599 18
4. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:36.011 + 1.919 13
5. Button BAR-Honda (M) 1:36.513 + 2.421 9
6. Heidfeld Williams-BMW (M) 1:36.551 + 2.459 7
7. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:36.563 + 2.471 6
8. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:36.610 + 2.518 5
9. Massa Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:36.963 + 2.871 4
10. Webber Williams-BMW (M) 1:36.989 + 2.897 8
11. R.Schumacher Toyota (M) 1:37.168 + 3.076 5
12. Coulthard Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:37.338 + 3.246 8
13. Sato BAR-Honda (M) 1:37.366 + 3.274 9
14. Klien Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:37.642 + 3.550 9
15. Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:37.843 + 3.751 4
16. Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:38.416 + 4.324 8
17. Monteiro Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:39.571 + 5.479 18
18. Doornbos Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:40.289 + 6.197 20
19. Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:40.375 + 6.283 14
20. Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:43.574 + 9.482 18
21. Albers Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:43.691 + 9.599 12
22. Fisichella Renault (M) No Time 2
23. Alonso Renault (M) No Time 2
24. Trulli Toyota (M) No Time 2Second Free Practise:
Code:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Massa Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:35.608 19
2. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:35.620 + 0.012 13
3. Zonta Toyota (M) 1:35.677 + 0.069 30
4. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:35.719 + 0.111 6
5. R.Schumacher Toyota (M) 1:35.838 + 0.230 16
6. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:35.841 + 0.233 16
7. Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:35.949 + 0.341 7
8. Button BAR-Honda (M) 1:35.992 + 0.384 19
9. Alonso Renault (M) 1:36.103 + 0.495 15
10. Coulthard Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:36.575 + 0.967 20
11. Trulli Toyota (M) 1:36.841 + 1.233 18
12. Klien Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:36.968 + 1.360 19
13. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:37.033 + 1.425 31
14. Sato BAR-Honda (M) 1:37.044 + 1.436 18
15. Heidfeld Williams-BMW (M) 1:37.067 + 1.459 17
16. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:37.270 + 1.662 22
17. Doornbos Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:37.878 + 2.270 23
18. Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:38.121 + 2.513 19
19. Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:38.855 + 3.247 21
20. Liuzzi Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:39.349 + 3.741 11
21. Monteiro Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:39.755 + 4.147 21
22. Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:40.940 + 5.332 19
23. Albers Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:41.156 + 5.548 16
24. Webber Williams-BMW (M) No Time 2
