NVIDIA's Last Minute Effort - 6850

[christoph]

That said why are idiots benching farcry with an unreleased driver set that comes with an extensive list of farcry bugs?

because no other driver supports the card, perhaps?
unless its proved that iq is suffering from the ap detection (which most likely results in shader replacement) i cant see anything bad in hand optimizing specially til the compiler gets more mature

 

[Stryyder]

meh.

App detection isn't bad for a game as long as it is rendering the images requested by the developer and producing satisfactory image quality.

That said why are idiots benching farcry with an unreleased driver set that comes with an extensive list of farcry bugs?

I would like to know if nvidia pushed, or encouraged, reviewers to use the 61.11 set, knowing the bugs would give higher scores.

Well some sites were provided with a 6800 GT card that can only be supported by the 61.11 so that would mean yes...... Also this is the same thing that happened last time with the drivers that gave 20% performance during the first ATI shader days deal but they never were made available to the public. So even if the 61.11 are legit (which I personally doubt) there history should cause any reasonable person to speculate based on the timing of their release/leak.

 

[digitalwanderer]

Well he did finally admit that he was getting manipulated which is one of the reasons I go to [H]ard now for info, he isn't too proud to admit he was wrong.

I go because Brent writes there, period.

 

[Stryyder]

Has any other site come up with this FartCry story? Until I see corroboration, I remain sceptical. Especially after last year, nvidia could not be stupid enough to use such a transparently obvious driver trick as this. No one could be that stupid, surely.

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" Lazarous Long/Robert A. Heinlen

 

[carpediem]

"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" Lazarous Long/Robert A. Heinlen

"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one" - Adolf Hitler


I can see where nvidia is coming from now

 

[dizietsma]

This is like F1 where people like the politics more than the racing.

Getting back to the point, Gainward hopefully will be bringing out a close to 500Mhz 6800U that may get close to 550Mhz with some overclocking a nice tail wind.

Couple that with nvidia driver boosts, either fair or foul, and ATI will have to come up with a better than 30Mhz overclock that they can manage with the really "AT THE LIMIT" X800XT PE

If I got an nvidia card and it only overcloced 10-40Mhz I'd be really really diappointed.

If you have to spend that sort of money you have to have some sort of fallback on overclocking to try and convince yourself you got a bargain.

PS GT looks good, sexy name .. like the cars .. nice

 

[FUDie]

nvidia's defence for this is that it is to deal with a Z-culling bug with the drivers in FarCry and that they always have done and always will do such things at the introduction of new graphics chip series.

A "Z-culling bug"? You mean the Z buffer wasn't working? Yeah right.

-FUDie

 

[aapo]

I go because Brent writes there, period.

Yes, he's a pretty good reviewer. The new X800 review at [H] was surprisingly good, I enjoyed it as much as the B3D review, which is much to say.

The new "IQ as high as possible" reviewing system at [H] seemed little odd at first, but now it feels a lot better than simple framerate comparisons. It adds a certain realistic touch to tests, because most gamers probably do the same at home: maximize IQ keeping the framerate still fluid. That said, I think the fillrate graphs at B3D are even better, even though they are somewhat geekish. :?

 

[Zod]

nvidia's defence for this is that it is to deal with a Z-culling bug with the drivers in FarCry and that they always have done and always will do such things at the introduction of new graphics chip series.

A "Z-culling bug"? You mean the Z buffer wasn't working? Yeah right.

-FUDie

Hey, I'm just quoting their defence!

 

[Maintank]

nVidia just can't leave well enough alone...and certain web sites seem more than willing to play along. It really does make nVidia look desparate to throw out what only can be perceived as "reactionary" cards..."geee...uh, our last ones aren't good enough...here's some new SKUs that will ship "sometime in the future."


You seem surprised this happened? You cant be naive enough to think this is the only industry this happens in can you?

BTW didnt I predict a 6850 a couple of weeks back to compete with the higher clocked X800XT?

Next time AMD releases a new chip watch as Intel tries to crash the party with a new chip. P4EE anybody?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Tune in next week for the head to head shoot out between the X800 Xtra ultra XT XTreme mega 2 card vs the GF FX 6899.9999999 Mega ultra red card of doom ( remeber cards go faster we all learnt that back at NV30 vs R300 ).


ROTFLMAO!

So you read the Tom's Hardware review then, they are so disappointed that ATI didn't do 'anything new or revolutionary' Too bad they forgot to be disappointed about how bad the NV30 sucked balls.

Some people need to get their emotional attachment to a company who takes you money under control. What exactly about what Tom said is so bad? Anand makes reference to the same thing. The card itself is a pumped up R300. Why if the performance is fine does that insult or scare you so much?

I would continue to read the rest of this thread but holy smokes are the fanbois back out in force! Where have you been the last few weeks?

 

[Stryyder]

nVidia just can't leave well enough alone...and certain web sites seem more than willing to play along. It really does make nVidia look desparate to throw out what only can be perceived as "reactionary" cards..."geee...uh, our last ones aren't good enough...here's some new SKUs that will ship "sometime in the future."


You seem surprised this happened? You cant be naive enough to think this is the only industry this happens in can you?

BTW didnt I predict a 6850 a couple of weeks back to compete with the higher clocked X800XT?

Next time AMD releases a new chip watch as Intel tries to crash the party with a new chip. P4EE anybody?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Tune in next week for the head to head shoot out between the X800 Xtra ultra XT XTreme mega 2 card vs the GF FX 6899.9999999 Mega ultra red card of doom ( remeber cards go faster we all learnt that back at NV30 vs R300 ).


ROTFLMAO!

So you read the Tom's Hardware review then, they are so disappointed that ATI didn't do 'anything new or revolutionary' Too bad they forgot to be disappointed about how bad the NV30 sucked balls.

Some people need to get their emotional attachment to a company who takes you money under control. What exactly about what Tom said is so bad? Anand makes reference to the same thing. The card itself is a pumped up R300. Why if the performance is fine does that insult or scare you so much?

I would continue to read the rest of this thread but holy smokes are the fanbois back out in force! Where have you been the last few weeks?

I guess you missed my point Tom's Hardware never says anything bad about Nvidia's approach on anything but fills their review with how disappointed they were about the X800's not being revolutionary while when NVIDIA missed the boat big time with the NV30 they instead of being critical called it in their introductry review THE NEW KING OF GRAPHICS CARDS... come on if you don't think Tom's is biased, your the fanboi not me pal. and do us a favor don't read the rest of the thread, you might actually broaden your horizons and I am sure the prospect frightens you.

 

[Maintank]

I guess you missed my point Tom's Hardware never says anything bad about Nvidia's approach on anything but fills their review with how disappointed they were about the X800's not being revolutionary while when NVIDIA missed the boat big time with the NV30 they instead of being critical called it in their introductry review THE NEW KING OF GRAPHICS CARDS... come on if you don't think Tom's is biased, your the fanboi not me pal. and do us a favor don't read the rest of the thread, you might actually broaden your horizons and I am sure the prospect frightens you.

So are you going to cry about it because Tom doesnt worship the card you apparently do?

I am in inpartial reviewer and even I was disappointed by the features of the X800. I cant imagine anybody who was really looking forward to what the R420 had instore for them could feel like.

Him stating the lack of features in the new card does not equate to him being biased. Anybody can look at the lack of PS3.0 or VS3.0 and see that. I was surprised for the most part the card doesnt even appear to be PS2.0++

Does that make me a biased person? Apparently in your world that answer is yes pal.

Detach the emotion from your arguments over a video card and enjoy both for what they are. They are both great performing cards. Just because something isnt as impressed with it doesnt make them an Nvidiot.

P.S. Wasnt that review like a year ago? Maybe it is time for you to move on and get over it.

 

[FUDie]

nvidia's defence for this is that it is to deal with a Z-culling bug with the drivers in FarCry and that they always have done and always will do such things at the introduction of new graphics chip series.

A "Z-culling bug"? You mean the Z buffer wasn't working? Yeah right.

Hey, I'm just quoting their defence!

No no, I wasn't picking on you, just NVIDIA's very thin story.

-FUDie

 

[trinibwoy]

LOS ANGELES, May 4 (Reuters) - ATI Technologies Inc. on Tuesday unveiled its new high-end graphics chip, and according to some of the Internet's leading Web sites for hardware reviews, the difference between it and top competitor Nvidia Corp. may be too close to call.

Seems the market is viewing this as a draw for now. This little tidbit was followed by some quotes from hardware review sites. B3D didn't make the cut apparently but most of the quoted reviewers were giving ATI the lead.

 

[Stryyder]

I guess you missed my point Tom's Hardware never says anything bad about Nvidia's approach on anything but fills their review with how disappointed they were about the X800's not being revolutionary while when NVIDIA missed the boat big time with the NV30 they instead of being critical called it in their introductry review THE NEW KING OF GRAPHICS CARDS... come on if you don't think Tom's is biased, your the fanboi not me pal. and do us a favor don't read the rest of the thread, you might actually broaden your horizons and I am sure the prospect frightens you.

So are you going to cry about it because Tom doesnt worship the card you apparently do?

I am in inpartial reviewer and even I was disappointed by the features of the X800. I cant imagine anybody who was really looking forward to what the R420 had instore for them could feel like.

Him stating the lack of features in the new card does not equate to him being biased. Anybody can look at the lack of PS3.0 or VS3.0 and see that. I was surprised for the most part the card doesnt even appear to be PS2.0++

Does that make me a biased person? Apparently in your world that answer is yes pal.

Detach the emotion from your arguments over a video card and enjoy both for what they are. They are both great performing cards. Just because something isnt as impressed with it doesnt make them an Nvidiot.

P.S. Wasnt that review like a year ago? Maybe it is time for you to move on and get over it.

There were no emotions just an observation that Tom's Hardware is obviously biased, history is used to show bias, if you cannot see the bias than you either see it from a different perspective (which includes the possibility of you sharing the bias), or choose not to see it or it isn't there at all. But I would bet you that the majority of the people here would agree with me about THG bias.

Secondly my emotions if any are not directed at THG they are directed at you and some people here may have bought a 5800 Ultra and will not be able to easily detach emotions about the subject (although I am not one of these people).

As to the review being a year ago I am still waiting for the IQ comparisons and the drivers that were used in that review to be made public as promised by THG.


And after you said "I am in inpartial reviewer and even I was disappointed by the features of the X800. I cant imagine anybody who was really looking forward to what the R420 had instore for them could feel like."

You can't possibly actually expect us to believe that you are impartial right... Especially after than quoting the NVIDIA SM3.0 marketing line when most of us are taking a wait and see attitude on the benefits of SM3.0 at this point. Don't insult us like that

And can you please support your statement that the X800 doesn't even really support SM2.0xx I would like to see how you based your conclusion.

 

[fallguy]

From what I understand, only large OEM's will be getting this card anyhow. Thats gotta hurt.

 

[Stryyder]

From what I understand, only large OEM's will be getting this card anyhow. Thats gotta hurt.

Which card??

 

[AlphaWolf]

From what I understand, only large OEM's will be getting this card anyhow. Thats gotta hurt.

Not large oems. The enthusiast ones. I expect you will see Alienware, Falcon NW, and Voodoo PC.

I have no idea what dell would do with a 6800Ultra extreme, but I doubt it meets their system requirements.

 

[Hellbinder]

Translating the both the article about FartCry and ATI X800 Review clearly shows one thing to me . www.chiponline.de is extremely bias toward ATI. It is almost a joke reading the articles.

In alot of ways its worst than HardOCP and Driverheaven.

Excuse me.. but i actually liked [H] Review.

Becuase I think its important to see what you are actually getting to play your games at for your Money. Not some Canned easily doctord pre determined game settings.

 

[Stryyder]

From what I understand, only large OEM's will be getting this card anyhow. Thats gotta hurt.

Not large oems. The enthusiast ones. I expect you will see Alienware, Falcon NW, and Voodoo PC.

I have no idea what dell would do with a 6800Ultra extreme, but I doubt it meets their system requirements.

I doubt if Dell would use a power supply that could support it, they are not known for quality infra-structure parts. Or at least not when I purchased from them. But don't they have an 'enthusiast' line they market that somebody actually buys.?