NVIDIA Tegra Architecture

[Exophase]

So what you're saying is JHH spent several minutes talking about benchmark scores of the S800 verison of this device? Or because he's there and talking about Tegra 4 that's an endorsement for everything said about both devices?

It seems like your common sense would dictate that 1 + 1 = 5 would be true if claimed by the right people.

Maybe Xiaomi really did get the scores by screwing with clock speeds on a per-benchmark basis. That's the only possibility that's half way plausible. I wouldn't strictly put it past them to try to fabricate that but it'd be quite a farce.

 

[ams]

No, it was Xiaomi's CEO who spoke at length about benchmarks for both variants. Anyway, how about waiting for the two devices to be measured independently next month before declaring gross incompetence and/or fraud?

P.S. You do realize that NVIDIA's Tegra 4 reference tablet platform and Qualcomm's MSM8974 [S800] reference tablet platform both had very similar scores measured for Antutu, Quadrant, and Geekbench?

 

[Mariner]

AFAIK, the story goes differently.

MIUI started as a community/fan-made ROM, originally a team made of only chinese people.
What Xiaomi did was to employ that team to pay them to do what they were already doing voluntarily for fun, while keeping the ROM open-source (that might have been a condition made by the XIAOMI team). They just have to use the Xiaomi's phones as development devices, which isn't bad at all because the hardware they use is great.

I was under the impression that the main developers of MIUI (which I believe you are correct was a community-created ROM) were among those who set up Xiaomi. Probably with financial backing from elsewhere, of course.

Could be wrong, of course, but I was using MIUI before the Mi-One was released and remember the hype on the MIUI web site as it was being announced.

 

[Exophase]

P.S. You do realize that NVIDIA's Tegra 4 reference tablet platform and Qualcomm's MSM8974 [S800] reference tablet platform both had very similar scores measured for Antutu, Quadrant, and Geekbench?

No, I don't realize that. Could you actually provide some references when making statements like this?

 

[A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y]

The skepticism here is warrented

Funny how that skepticism seem to always be about Nvidia and not the other vendors and that a select number of posters seem to always have that skepticism even in the light of published results.

 

[french toast]

Funny how that skepticism seem to always be about Nvidia and not the other vendors and that a select number of posters seem to always have that skepticism even in the light of published results.

Thats because nvidia use the most creative marketing

 

[Exophase]

Funny how that skepticism seem to always be about Nvidia and not the other vendors and that a select number of posters seem to always have that skepticism even in the light of published results.

The skepticism is about scores from Tegra 4 and S800 variants of a phone being too similar. That you think that this is directed specifically at nVidia shows bias on your part, not mine.

 

[trinibwoy]

http://liliputing.com/2013/09/nvidi...fcc-7-inch-screen-tegra-4-chip-and-a-pen.html

Looks like the real deal. Needs to be priced aggressively though. Given their experience with the original nexus 7 $200 (or lower) should be doable. They can't hope to go head-to-head with Asus and Google....

 

[Deleted member 13524]

http://liliputing.com/2013/09/nvidi...fcc-7-inch-screen-tegra-4-chip-and-a-pen.html

Looks like the real deal. Needs to be priced aggressively though. Given their experience with the original nexus 7 $200 (or lower) should be doable. They can't hope to go head-to-head with Asus and Google....

From what I see, it seems to be a reference design made to be adopted by other brands, like the previous 10" Tegra 2 design that got into Advent Vega, Viewsonic G and others.

I guess the only reason we didn't see the same for Tegra 3 is because Google "bought" the design for Nexus 7 when Asus showed it to the world (which by then it was the MeMo Pad 7 or something).

Tegra 4 didn't see a Nexus design win so it's back to plan A: produce a reference design that lower budget brands will be able to adopt.

 

[xpea]

Tegra 4 didn't see a Nexus design win so it's back to plan A: produce a reference design that lower budget brands will be able to adopt.

+1
and I would like to add that the Xiaomi MI3 is a HUGE design win for NVDA. People don't realize how big this deal is. Offered on China Mobile, the world largest carrier with 740M users (and only 100M on 3G), it's an even bigger design win than the Nexus 7. In fact, its a home-run that will put T4 on track to beat T3 quantities !

PS: Number of users in China by carrier (as of July 2013):
China Mobile : 740M
China Unicom: 262M
China Telecom: 175M

 

[Helmore]

In fact, its a home-run that will put T4 on track to beat T3 quantities !

Eh? I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Jubei]

Xiaomi has like 5% marketshare in China. Lots of astroturfing going on lately..

 

[OlegSH]

Xiaomi has like 5% marketshare in China. Lots of astroturfing going on lately..

"Xiaomi said that it has sold 9.19 million Mi-2 smartphones, including the Mi-2, Mi-2S and Mi-2A models, since the products were launched 10 months ago" - source
Original Nexus 7 has sold an estimated six million units

 

[Alexko]

That's not bad at all, almost a fifth of what the Galaxy S3 sold. Any idea what the split might be between NVIDIA and Qualcomm?

 

[Silent_Buddha]

"Xiaomi said that it has sold 9.19 million Mi-2 smartphones, including the Mi-2, Mi-2S and Mi-2A models, since the products were launched 10 months ago" - source
Original Nexus 7 has sold an estimated six million units

With those numbers it could be that Qualcomm isn't able to provide enough S800's to supply Xiaomi's requirements for China + World and all the other phone maker's that will be putting it into their handsets.

While Tegra 4, with few design wins, likely has more than enough capacity to fill that role. That's potentially good news for Nvidia. If they are unable to get any traction in western markets, and if Qualcomm is unable to satisfy demand for S800 worldwide (including China), that leaves Tegra 4 in a good position to pick up the slack in the Chinese market.

It will definitely be interesting to see real world side-by-side testing of the 2 variants.

Regards,
SB

 

[xpea]

That's not bad at all, almost a fifth of what the Galaxy S3 sold. Any idea what the split might be between NVIDIA and Qualcomm?

the split is by carrier.
NVDA got the biggest, China Mobile (using TD-SCDMA), while QC got China Unicom (WCDMA) and China Telecom (CDMA2000). China Mobile has 2 times more market share than China Unicom and China Telecom combined.

To give an idea, last year with Xiaomi Mi2, China Unicom ordered 2M units only for the launch ! First order from China Mobile should be 2 or 3 times this number.
Last figures, Xiaomi already sold 7M smartphones during first half of 2013 and plan to sell 20M units during 2013. They are already above Apple in market share in China. Not bad for a 3 years old company !
more information here:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-08/30/china-smartphone-market

 

[xpea]

Eh? I'll believe it when I see it.

With the Xiaomi deal, it's 90% sure. NVDA will be the only vendor of Mi3 on China Mobile. We are talking about a carrier that has shops every 200m in the main cities and that sold 50M smartphones last quarter. I live in China, and Xiaomi is seen as the new Chinese Apple, with crazy fans and a community growing very very fast. I will not be surprised to see Xiaomi become a top 3 player in China next year.

 

[trinibwoy]

It's funny how little western observers (myself included) seem to know about the Chinese tech market given that it's so massive and will probably dominate proceedings in the future. The Apple's of the world keep shouting about Chinese market potential but nobody seems to be paying attention.

 

[silent_guy]

With the Xiaomi deal, it's 90% sure. NVDA will be the only vendor of Mi3 on China Mobile. We are talking about a carrier that has shops every 200m in the main cities and that sold 50M smartphones last quarter. I live in China, and Xiaomi is seen as the new Chinese Apple, with crazy fans and a community growing very very fast. I will not be surprised to see Xiaomi become a top 3 player in China next year.

They are selling the phone for $327. That's really low. I understand that they make money by selling software, but can you go into more detail? Exactly what kind of things do they sell and at what prices? Are they profitable or are they still in land grab mode?

 

[Mariner]

They are selling the phone for $327. That's really low. I understand that they make money by selling software, but can you go into more detail? Exactly what kind of things do they sell and at what prices? Are they profitable or are they still in land grab mode?

Do Xiaomi actually sell any software? MIUI is free, as are the frequent updates. I know you can set up a MIUI account to backup your phone's contents in the cloud if desired but I've never really looked into this and didn't think there was a charge for the service? Could be wrong, of course.

I know, also, that there is a MI market app in some countries. Never touched that myself when using MIUI as it is mostly Chinese apps, no doubt with some of dubious provenance.

The move of Hugo Barra from Google to Xiaomi would seem to be a good indication that the company is looking to ramp up its operations outside of China. It'll be interesting to see where they go from here. I know there has been criticism of Xiaomi as a low-price Apple imitator but you'd have to say that most companies wouldn't mind making profits even a fraction of those that Apple achieve!