NVIDIA shows signs ... [2008 - 2017]

[BRiT]

Don't know if this is posted elsewhere: Link JHH basically gives away the next Xbox announcement (if you read between the lines), and I wonder what Microsoft's plans for mobile are... Dean was pretty clever with his questions.

JHH wishes it was all locked up.

His statement "the expectation is within the next three or four years we’re going to bring to the mobile market performance that is nearly a hundred times higher than today’s’ PC. " is purely fucking delusional given the current SandyBridge and Bulldozer systems.

 

[ninelven]

JHH wishes it was all locked up.

What are you talking about here?

the expectation is within the next three or four years we’re going to bring to the mobile market performance that is nearly a hundred times higher than today’s’ PC.

He was probably talking about the vast majority of PCs out there which either have integrated graphics or the cheapest possible add in board. That was just my interpretation though; I could be wrong.

EDIT: Yeah, he is probably comparing available compute FLOPS to something like the i7 980x @ 107GFLOPS, so he is saying they expect get to 10TFLOPS of compute power available (cpu+gpu) in their mobile devices sometime in 2015. It does seem rather doubtful, but I don't know about completely delusional. If he was referring to a more common CPU @ ~50 GFLOPS, then 5TFLOPS in a mobile device in 2015 doesn't seem too far out of reach.

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Again, I never made any such comparison. However, your attempt to put words in my mouth, especially in light of my previous post, is most amusing and telling.

As for Nvidia, they don't need to prove anything; they will either execute well and be successful, or they won't. Thus far I would say they are off to a pretty good start: first out with A9, selected as reference platform by Google for tablets, first out with quadcore, and Tegra 3 doesn't appear to have any competitors at its performance level, even Samsung is using Tegra 2...

Don't know if this is posted elsewhere: Link JHH basically gives away the next Xbox announcement (if you read between the lines), and I wonder what Microsoft's plans for mobile are... Dean was pretty clever with his questions.

Trying to back out of your own words already? Considering the following conversation chain which began with one person's expectations that Nvidia will control ~20% of the SOC market.

It's not that much. And i expect a lot of that competition to give up that business in the long run - lets say 2 years from now.

Who is going to leave? and why would they leave a growing market?

Indeed, I mean Matrox and 3dfx are thriving... whoops almost forgot S3... oh and Rendition.

You put those words there by bringing them into the conversation. If you did not mean to imply that many of the competitors will leave due to Nvidia then perhaps you should have explained it better rather than attempting a cute albeit vague one liner implying such.

Regards,
SB

 

[ninelven]

You put those words there by bringing them into the conversation. If you did not mean to imply that many of the competitors will leave due to Nvidia then perhaps you should have explained it better rather than attempting a cute albeit vague one liner implying such.

I did explain it just fine in my response to Alpha, which you continue to ignore. Do I really have to quote myself from the post just before yours?

I never made any such comparison, nor did I imply anyone was going away. I was merely pointing out that the logic you used in your previous post was not exactly sound given historical events.

As for TI and Qualcomm, I don't personally expect them to be going away any time soon. However, as you correctly noted, they are currently much larger than Nvidia and have about 3-5x the revenue of Nvidia. They also have about 4x the general operating / administrative expenses and are spending 2-3x as much on R&D. Qualcomm will be fine because they bank on licensing, and TI will be fine as they are a very diverse company. However, I imagine both will find it much less lucrative to compete with Nvidia in mobile SoCs in the future and may focus their efforts elsewhere. Obviously, you feel otherwise, and that is fine. You are certainly entitled to your opinion regardless of its foundations.

Read it as many times at it takes for you to understand. If you can't understand, you have my sympathy.

 

[AlphaWolf]

I did explain it just fine in my response to Alpha, which you continue to ignore. Do I really have to quote myself from the post just before yours?

I'd hardly agree that you explained it just fine. You circled your initial glib comment with some rambling that has very little on point. Pretty much the same way you're trying to support Jen's lunacy. I look forward to 20 teraflop phones powered by nvidia in 4 years.

 

[ninelven]

Let's see I wrote 10 and more likely 5 TFLOPS is what he meant, but you cite 20... /boggle. As for being glib, let me quote your response to my supposition Nvidia had won the Xbox 720 contract:

Wow, what a quality response that was.

Pretty much the same way you're trying to support Jen's lunacy.

I'm not supporting anyone. I provided my interpretation of the information given in the interview; that you interpret this as "support" of "lunacy" says more about you than it ever could about me. I think I'm done with you here.

EDIT: One last thing: "mobile market" is not exclusive to phones, but you feel free to interpret it however you want.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Let's see I wrote 10 and more likely 5 TFLOPS is what he meant, but you cite 20... /boggle. As for being glib, let me quote your response to my supposition Nvidia had won the Xbox 720 contract:

Only because you're trying to temper what Jen said through based on your interpretation of what he meant.

Wow, what a quality response that was.

When you posted that, I had no idea you were serious. If I had known you were, I would have just suggested you take your oujia board in for a tune up, because it seems to be misfiring.

I'm not supporting anyone. I provided my interpretation of the information given in the interview; that you interpret this as "support" of "lunacy" says more about you than it ever could about me. I think I'm done with you here.

You're most definitely trying to support Jen's comment, by saying he really meant something less crazy...

EDIT: One last thing: "mobile market" is not exclusive to phones, but you feel free to interpret it however you want.

Of course it isn't, doesn't make the comment at all likely.

 

[ninelven]

Only because you're trying to temper what Jen said through based on your interpretation of what he meant.

Next, I suppose you will be telling me what I had for breakfast this morning .

When you posted that, I had no idea you were serious. If I had known you were, I would have just suggested you take your oujia board in for a tune up, because it seems to be misfiring.

I offered you a wager of 1 dollar (for pride purposes), you never got back to me. The offer still stands (yes I'm serious). You can mock me all you want though; again, it says more about your character than it does mine.

You're most definitely trying to support Jen's comment, by saying he really meant something less crazy...

No. I just know that Jen is pretty good at PR speak, so when he says 100x the PC in the mobile market I interpret that as his clever way of making whatever Nvidia's flagship mobile chip is in the gaming laptop market sound more impressive. FYI, the 485M is already at ~900 GFLOPS at 40nm while AMD's mobility 6900 series is already well over 1TFLOP. Assuming by 2015, they are at 20nm, have made some architectural improvements, and added a few Denver cores to the total, 5 TFLOPS is far from unreasonable. What kind of numbers do you think AMD is going to be quoting with Fusion? That you are unable to decipher Jen's PR speak is not my problem; he simply made a statement he knew would sound much more impressive than it actually was while still managing to tell the truth (PR at its best)...

 

[AlphaWolf]

Next, I suppose you will be telling me what I had for breakfast this morning .

I suspect you eat a lot of crow, so I'll go with that.

I offered you a wager of 1 dollar (for pride purposes), you never got back to me. The offer still stands (yes I'm serious). You can mock me all you want though; again, it says more about your character than it does mine.

Using an insignificant internet bet as the back up to your argument says a lot about your character. I'd rather get some sound reasoning than your $1 in 2 or 3 years.

No. I just know that Jen is pretty good at PR speak, so when he says 100x the PC in the mobile market I interpret that as his clever way of making whatever Nvidia's flagship mobile chip is in the gaming laptop market sound more impressive. FYI, the 485M is already at ~900 GFLOPS at 40nm while AMD's mobility 6900 series is already well over 1TFLOP. Assuming by 2015, they are at 20nm, have made some architectural improvements, and added a few Denver cores to the total, 5 TFLOPS is far from unreasonable. What kind of numbers do you think AMD is going to be quoting with Fusion? That you are unable to decipher Jen's PR speak is not my problem; he simply made a statement he knew would sound much more impressive than it actually was while still managing to tell the truth (PR at its best)...

Jen is not good at PR speak, he's good at making bombastic statements that no one expects he will ever back up. 5 TFLOPS is a far cry from being 100x as powerful as my 2 year old laptop let alone current desktops.

 

[ninelven]

Using an insignificant internet bet as the back up to your argument says a lot about your character. I'd rather get some sound reasoning than your $1 in 2 or 3 years.

This tells me you don't actually believe what you say (or at least are not confident as you make out), and you are just trolling me.

5 TFLOPS is a far cry from being 100x as powerful as my 2 year old laptop let alone current desktops.

Apparently, you are not good at math; I can't help that.

On a personal note, I no longer find this line of discourse enjoyable, nor do I expect that I will ever have anything resembling a quality conversation with you. In my short time on this planet, I have learned 1 thing of which I am certain: life is too short to spend time doing things one does not enjoy. Goodbye. I wish you well.

 

[AlphaWolf]

This tells me you don't actually believe what you say (or at least are not confident as you make out), and you are just trolling me.

Apparently, you are not good at math; I can't help that.

On a personal note, I no longer find this line of discourse enjoyable, nor do I expect that I will ever have anything resembling a quality conversation with you. In my short time on this planet, I have learned 1 thing of which I am certain: life is too short to spend time doing things one does not enjoy. Goodbye. I wish you well.

make wild claims.
back them up by challenging people
play martyr when the other person doesn't back down

You won't be missed. Here's a thought maybe provide a coherent argument for your claims instead.

And my math is fine, the 3870 in it alone has more than the 1% of 5 Tflops.

 

[Sxotty]

Jen is not good at PR speak, he's good at making bombastic statements that no one expects he will ever back up. 5 TFLOPS is a far cry from being 100x as powerful as my 2 year old laptop let alone current desktops.

I don't understand why you are purposefully being obtuse. Comparing something to a PC and a current are different things. But I even doubt we will have 5.

 

[Richthofen]

Who is going to leave? and why would they leave a growing market?

Some of them will leave because they will get tired with the product refresh cycle Nvidia will introduce. That together with the typical story about focusing on "Core" competencies will make some of them leaving the market.

Of course there are some big competitors in that space and of course the market is growing but don't forget how slow big companies tend to work. Nvidia's advantage is their efficient business model. They know how to tire others out. In the end i expect 4 players to be in that ARM segment in the long-run. So 20% of that market is from my point of view possible.

 

[Kaotik]

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...-shipments-up-10.3-while-pc-shipments-down-5/

nVidias graphics marketshare has dropped nearly 29% year-to-year

 

[AlphaWolf]

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...-shipments-up-10.3-while-pc-shipments-down-5/

nVidias graphics marketshare has dropped nearly 29% year-to-year

Some of that has to be PC sales being down, mostly tho I would think sandy bridge and fusion are hurting them as expected.

 

[eastmen]

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/05/02/213243/NVIDIA-Gets-Away-With-Bait-and-Switch


and i will never buy an nvidia product again.

Also what a failure of the justice system in this country

As part of a December 2010 settlement agreement, NVIDIA agreed to provide all owners of laptops containing a defective NVIDIA GPU with a laptop of similar kind and value. In February, NVIDIA announced that a $279 single-core Compaq CQ56 would be provided as a replacement to all laptops — from $2500 dual-core tablet PCs to $2000 17" entertainment notebooks. Ted Frank, from the Center for Class Action Fairness, filed an objection to the court, which was overruled by Judge Ware today. Once again, the consumers of a class action lawsuit lose."

Upon review of the Objections and the expert reports submitted by the parties, the Court finds that the Objections are without merit. In particular, the Court finds that the CQ-56 replacement computer is a reasonable replacement for the original computers at issue in this case. Although there are differences between the CQ-56 and various computers for which it is offered as a replacement, the CQ-56 meets or exceeds nearly all of the specifications of the original computers. In addition, it comes with an advanced operating system, new warranty and other programs.

 

[Psycho]

closer to original source: http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/2011/03/the-nvidia-clas.php

a $279 single-core Compaq CQ56

Compaq Presario CQ56-115DX

• AMD V-Series processor V140, 2GB DDR3 memory, 250GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm)
• ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250 graphics, 15.6" LED high-definition display
• 3 high-speed USB 2.0 ports, Built-in high-speed wireless LAN (802.11b/g/n), Built-in 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN with RJ-45 connector
• 6-cell lithium-ion battery,up to 4 hours and 15 minutes to give you more time away from an outlet.
• Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit operating system preinstalled

 

[Blazkowicz]

I wonder if they crippled the ethernet port to 100Mb intentionnally so as to make it look bad next to higher end laptops. this looks like a netbook with a much faster CPU and graphics, and bigger screen.
priced as a netbook as well

 

[AlphaWolf]

er so even when Nvidia is trying to cheap out on compensation, they take careful aim and shoot themselves in the foot?

 

[Sxotty]

Yeah Nvidia is certainly moving quickly in the wrong direction. It kinda seemed inevitable for awhile, but I suppose if the denver thing can come to fruition it can still save their bacon. Otherwise I see no option but acquisition eventually.