Nvidia Pascal Announcement

source http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Doom-2016-Spiel-56369/Specials/Open-Beta-Benchmarks-1192393/

 

Percentages, man! This is not how they work
In essence you're saying that 1080 in ROTR is 80% faster => 1.8 perf of 980. Even if they have the same TDP, 1.8 is the ceiling that you can have for perf/watt of 1080 vs 980. But you also say that 1080 draws 10% more power than 980. That means you also divide by a further 1.1 and arrive at about 1.64 perf/watt. For TW3 it is actually 1.7/1.1 = 1.54

 

AMD has shown working silicon in early January, with live demos for the public to see.
5 months later, nvidia showed a card on stage that might or might not have been assembled with woodscrews and some demos through a projector that might or might not have been rendered by the new cards.
Come May 27, you might or might not see a paper launch.

Don't get ahead of yourself.

And this, my children, is why you shouldn't skip math class.

 

It's easy to check.

After Friday's event, what will happen with the sales of any Maxwell GPU that's a GTX 970 or higher?

If your paper launch hunch is correct, we should see a dramatic drop in GeForce revenue for the financial quarter that ends in July.

 

First off, it's not a hunch, just an hypothesis that is still on the table. Meaning it's too early to reach the conclusions you stated in your previous post.

Second, I doubt it would mean a dramatic drop in revenue, because not many end-users keep up with GPU announcements and the GTX970 is still nvidia's best offer for the ~$300 segment (which the new cards don't cover, BTW).
Graphics cards don't get the same Osborn-effect as for example smartphones (whose announcements tend to appear on mainstream media).

 

What I mean is Micron themselves explicitly state the 11 and 12Gb/s memory is in sampling status, their status for 10Gb/s went into production status quite awhile ago when I checked their site.
So AIB/manufacturers/etc will still need to wait for the upper two memory products to be placed into factory orders.
Micron is not hiding this type of information.
This makes sense because the one time the detail was shown with a Polaris card using GDDR5X, that also was 10gb/s.
Both AMD and NVIDIA are limited to this until I am sure Micron complete the sampling phase (which I agree means some of these memories are given to the various manufacturers interested so it is in limited production).
Cheers

 

Do we know the size of the chip of the 1080?

 

reviewers got their cards after the event.


We should see real numbers this week

Edit: and Zotac has already the 1080 on their website:
https://www.zotac.com/gb/product/graphics_card/geforce-gtx-1080

 

and interesting infor from gurud3D:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-gtx-1080-photos.html

Does it mean that Nvidia won't have any supply issue or do they give everything they have to reviewers

 

Actually AMD showed working silicon already in December for the press, January was only first for public eyes

 

I hope they are getting the 1070's as well.

 

Well I can see how they got 2.5 perf per watt now they were comparing, titan x which has similar transistor amounts to gp 104 and going from that.

 

I was trying to fit a number to what I thought was something from the presentation which it wasn't it was from a titan X to a gtx 1080 they were comparing they used those two since the transistor counts are similar.

I should have done the math myself, but was too lazy

 

So you claim that the ID guys lied about running their DOOM Vulcan piece on a real hardware? Let alone dozens of reviewers who got cards as well?

Showing silicon and live demos doesn't mean real production (ie, in large quantities) has started, Silentguy's has a solid hepothesis as well, if they are ready indeed then why the delay?

 

Ridiculous.

nvidia have announced a release date, have cards out, AMD otoh haven't. Who showed off earlier is a moot point.

 

And this is a key point.
NVIDIA are giving 1080 samples out now to reviewers albeit under NDA.
We are yet to hear any solid news when Polaris is being given to a broad selection of reviewers.
So at a minimum NVIDIA looks to be in a good position with the 1080/1070, and at a minimum at the same phase as AMD (being generous lets say they scheduled their news a couple weeks later for flexibility) and quite possibly NVIDIA is actually a bit ahead now.
All depends how AMD responds, but NVIDIA is looking good either way for having a product available.
Cheers

 

There is a around a 2 to 2 and half month lead time for nV once they EOL products, for the channel to clear, as they try to keep their inventory around 60 days. This is what Silent_guy is getting at. If it was a paper launch, and we have to wait another two or three months for proper stock, yeah q2 of 2016 will have a pretty large decline as one month will have no sales (20-30% drop). We don't have exact days of the EOL of current products but we know it was around a month back so the March 27th launch date comes to the 60 days of inventory.

Any case NDA expires well before the 27th

 

How do you know? That box could be full of wood screws.

 

May 17th is when the official reviews under NDA will go online. But we can already expect leaks this week from Asia...

BTW, I'm surprised to see people so bitter about Pascal coming first to market. Looks like for some folks, it's not possible and AMD should be so much ahead because they showed very early silicon in closed doors few months ago..

Wood screws review

edit: oups finally we won't get our wood screws review:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-gtx-1080-photos.html

 

Well its not like nV missing anything for not showing stuff off earlier, it actually creates a bigger buzz the way they just waited and let AMD have a small ray hope and get people excited, then jump on the bandwagon and start creating a frenzy.