NVIDIA Kepler speculation thread

How convenient that you forgot the $60 game coupon Nvidia included with each GTX660Ti. That made the cost to be more like $240.

So if the price drop to $279 (a $20 reduction) does not include the game coupon then Nvidia actually makes $40 more per sale.

The 7950 and 7870 also included a coupon for a popular game with a retail price of US$60, so I fail to see your point.
AMD and Nvidia will also be paying a lot less than full price for each game coupon.
 
Let me see...why when Amd launched 4870 Nvidia cuts immediately gtx280's price? The brand Nvidia wasn't strong enough? :D

A stronger brand can command a higher price. Say 10-20%? In the case of 4870 vs. GTX280, the price difference was WAY higher than that.

Weeeell, this is true. With a but..

But, there is a significant human pshychology influence on it as well, me thinks. Kind of people were already tired or bored by NV's domination. At that period of time NV commanded the game and it was very surprising what ATi managed to do.

So, I'd prefer to think that the best what AMD could do now is to invest and sponsor in market share. I thought this was a very price sensitive part of the market, with a very high influence and pressure by people for lower prices. However, both AMD and NV dare to keep these prices awfully high with a big difference compared to previous generations...

Totally opposite to what most companies do. F*ck those ultra expensive new technologies. :LOL:
 
So if the price drop to $279 (a $20 reduction) does not include the game coupon then Nvidia actually makes $40 more per sale.

MSRP's appear to be becoming a joke. Quite a few AMD cards that were excellent values have now risen in price (disregarding rebates).


(newegg)

Used to be 299 7950's, now they are 319 to start.

Was 220-ish 7870's, and at least 249, now they are 259.

I read on Fudzilla 7870's MSRP is 239? If so that's a joke, 259 on newegg. What good is gaudy MSRP's when they dont exist?

If 660 TI's actually meets it's new 279 price, it will be good.
 
MSRP's appear to be becoming a joke. Quite a few AMD cards that were excellent values have now risen in price (disregarding rebates).


(newegg)

Used to be 299 7950's, now they are 319 to start.

Was 220-ish 7870's, and at least 249, now they are 259.
These are the reference MSRPs.
 
I really strongly prefer this way of presenting benchmark information, rather than the usual case of just posting one game at a time. But it would be nice if they presented a bit more information about what the precise settings were (or, if they do, made it easier to see in the article). Showing absolute performance as well as relative performance would be nice as well.

It seems 660 will fall between 7850 and 7870 and be priced the same (239 rumored).

Ho hum.
 
I really strongly prefer this way of presenting benchmark information, rather than the usual case of just posting one game at a time. But it would be nice if they presented a bit more information about what the precise settings were (or, if they do, made it easier to see in the article). Showing absolute performance as well as relative performance would be nice as well.

Those are results from NVIDIA's marketing department, not benchmarks from independent reviewers. The aim is to promote, not to inform.
 
I really strongly prefer this way of presenting benchmark information, rather than the usual case of just posting one game at a time. But it would be nice if they presented a bit more information about what the precise settings were (or, if they do, made it easier to see in the article).

It's (from) nvidia slides, so videocardz don't really now, as they also write. Expect the settings to vary for the best-case result in all games ;)

We can also read from those slides that gtx560 is slightly faster than hd7850 just like gts450 is slightly faster than hd7750... :runaway:
(so job well done in the benchmarketing department)
 
It's (from) nvidia slides, so videocardz don't really now, as they also write.
I half suspected that, though I didn't look closely at it. I know that nVidia has been presenting their information in this way for many years now (though usually they say a bit more about the precise settings). It just baffles me that reviewers have yet to catch on, as it's a tremendously better way to present relative performance information.
 
It's (from) nvidia slides, so videocardz don't really now, as they also write. Expect the settings to vary for the best-case result in all games ;)

We can also read from those slides that gtx560 is slightly faster than hd7850 just like gts450 is slightly faster than hd7750... :runaway:
(so job well done in the benchmarketing department)
Oh just realized this is GTX 560 non-Ti there so indeed nvidia managed to skew the results by some 25% which is indeed very impressive. Unfortunately for them it also means the GTX 660 is in reality slower than I thought, should end up just barely above 7850.
I'm not sure though even the nvidia-only results don't make much sense to me, the GTX 560 is up to 32% faster than the GTX 460 there, even though the former is pretty much just a 20% higher clocked (core clock, less difference on the memory side) version of the latter. Maybe using different cpus or drivers or something. Well assuming it is legitimate in the first place.
 
I'm not sure though even the nvidia-only results don't make much sense to me, the GTX 560 is up to 32% faster than the GTX 460 there, even though the former is pretty much just a 20% higher clocked (core clock, less difference on the memory side) version of the latter.

Wrong. Beyond clocks, the GTX560 enables one more SP cluster. While GTX460 has 336 cuda cores, GTX560 has the full 384.
 
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