Nvidia GT200b rumours and speculation thread

trinibwoy said:
He's talking a lot more broadly about the OEM PC market. Don't think that reflects much on sales of retail 65nm GTX 260 parts which seem to be doing well all things considered. In any case, the 55nm version is the same price so I'm not sure why market conditions are relevant - if the 65nm was not selling, neither would the 55nm.
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Well the last 65nm parts appear to be dated week 35(ie august) and they are still selling today, and look like doing so for another month at least. If product was selling well would have inventory <60 days, this product appears >90 days. According to this guy nvidia reported at the credit suisse conference in early december that their market share for high end gpus dropped from 80% to 30% of the market for the third quarter. Since then due to aggressive marketing and pricing surely they have recovered somewhat.

Was trying to point to a bigger problem. The customers, the market, for high end gpus seems to have disappeared :cry: Either they are not buying or have moved down to lower price brackets. Nvidia will have to rebuild this market from scratch. Meanwhile have cut their production quite a bit. Fortunately for nvidia all the apple deals that seem to be coming through to patch things up nicely.
 
It says "revenue share", not "market share"?
Though, I have no idea what 'revenue share' means, so could anyone shed some light on it?
 
The total amount of dollars instead of pieces sold? Could make you look better, if you have a higher ASP but sell less cards, especially at the cheaper end of market as the competition.
 
Revenue share: $ sold / $ total market
Market share: units sold / units total market.

So you could have a 33% market share but a 50% revenue share if every chip you sold cost twice as much (for every chip you sell for $2, someone else sells 2 chips for $1 each).
 
So now we just need enthusiast range market shares to count how much more profit AMD makes per card?
 
Kaotik said:
It says "revenue share", not "market share"?
Though, I have no idea what 'revenue share' means, so could anyone shed some light on it?
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Sorry for that, have been using the terms interchangeably, the cards are enthusiast and relatively high value percentages in units would have difficulty been more than say plus or minus 10% of revenue.

What is noticeable perhaps is that previously when nvidia was at 80% of revenue they had quite a bit higher ASPs than anyone else. I really hope that if they are at 30% of revenue that is still not the case ;)

You can apparently purchase a transcript of the presentation here.

Back on topic, why hasnt any removed the IHS off one of the 55nm GTX260s floating around? The expreview article really looked like it could have been a B2 chip.
 
KonKort said:
A review about the GTX 260 55 nm. The power consumption is only a little bit better - as expected.

EVGA GTX 260 216 (55 nm)
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Thanks for the review. Don't suppose you would be willing to take off the IHS and report what is printed on the chip? ie revision and production date is what i was curious about. GPUZ seems to be the reporting revision incorrectly for this chip at the moment.

Also in the review, you said nvidia has done 3 tape outs. I think they start at B0 for the first go and the 295 samples appear to have a B3 revision implying 4 versions of the chip.

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From expreview it appears that the 260-16s are B2 versions of the chips from week 36(aug31-sept 6). So are these excess sample chips that they are just trying to clear out, or did they do a small production run for some reason? Seems more likely to be samples, if so provided sales arent a total disaster should run through them relatively quickly, or they will be very limited to only certain "loyal" partners or something...
 
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Asus GTX 285...

GTX_285_295_Launch_clip_image001.jpg


;)
 
rjc said:
Thanks for the review. Don't suppose you would be willing to take off the IHS and report what is printed on the chip? ie revision and production date is what i was curious about. GPUZ seems to be the reporting revision incorrectly for this chip at the moment.

Also in the review, you said nvidia has done 3 tape outs. I think they start at B0 for the first go and the 295 samples appear to have a B3 revision implying 4 versions of the chip.
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Yes, it is probably B2 stepping, because the power consumption is not much better.
GTX 285 and GTX 295 will use B3 stepping.

Die shots are a great idea. Yes, I will do it in the next hours or days. Then I can say defineltly if it is B2 oder B3.
 
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_295_us.html

GPU Engine Specs:
Processor Cores 480 ( 240 per GPU )
Graphics Clock (MHz) 576 MHz
Processor Clock (MHz) 1242 MHz
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec) 92.2

Memory Specs:

Memory Clock (MHz) 999 MHz
Standard Memory Config 1792 MB GDDR3 ( 896MB per GPU )
Memory Interface Width 896-bit ( 448-bit per GPU )
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 223.8

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_285_us.html

GPU Engine Specs:
Processor Cores 240
Graphics Clock (MHz) 648 MHz
Processor Clock (MHz) 1476 MHz
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec) 51.8

Memory Specs:

Memory Clock (MHz) 1242 MHz
Standard Memory Config 1 GB GDDR3
Memory Interface Width 512-bit
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 159.0

So when are the reviews coming since it seems to be official now?

US
 
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compres said:
I read the hardocp review, and it looks like too little too late. Why release this thing?
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For it to be too late will depend greatly on how long these cards sell. If its a 9800GX2 --> GTX 280 in a month scenerio. Then I'd agree. Otherwise if their are several months of selling to be done. Then it makes sense for Nvidia to make money off a solution like this. Then again I still see 9800GX2 cards selling..
 
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