NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50-series Blackwell Availability

The connector is from what I understand it was pushed as part of the spec by major OEMs as well. I believe OEM RTX 40 series cards (we don't know about 50 series yet) that 4070 ti and above (that would require more than 1x8pin) all use the 12VHPWR connector. These are mass assembled under time pressure but by much more experienced/skilled workers then enthuasists (sorry to break to you guys but it's true, they'll likely build more systems in a week then most enthuasists in a lifetime). They're also all going to be shipped after assembly with the connector in multiple times (from assembly plant -> distribution in between -> user).

These OEMs are going to have a way larger sample size than any individual user and even prebuilt SIs in which they have an conforming assembly standard (due to not relying on individual users and self styled experts). I would wonder what the their failure rate data they have on this is in terms of warranty claims. They face higher liabilities and warranty claims would affect the entire system. But on the surface I'm not aware of them changing course on this issue and it seems like they at least prefer the newer standard. I'm also no aware of ancedotal failures reported for these cards.

Just in terms of ancedotal reports it seems like they are all DIY builds? I know enthuasists let's just say often have a higher opinion of themselves but if the failure reports skews to just DIY builds and not OEMs or SI what does that say about the issue?
 
arandomguy said:
The connector is from what I understand it was pushed as part of the spec by major OEMs as well. I believe OEM RTX 40 series cards (we don't know about 50 series yet) that 4070 ti and above (that would require more than 1x8pin) all use the 12VHPWR connector. These are mass assembled under time pressure but by much more experienced/skilled workers then enthuasists (sorry to break to you guys but it's true, they'll likely build more systems in a week then most enthuasists in a lifetime). They're also all going to be shipped after assembly with the connector in multiple times (from assembly plant -> distribution in between -> user).

These OEMs are going to have a way larger sample size than any individual user and even prebuilt SIs in which they have an conforming assembly standard (due to not relying on individual users and self styled experts). I would wonder what the their failure rate data they have on this is in terms of warranty claims. They face higher liabilities and warranty claims would affect the entire system. But on the surface I'm not aware of them changing course on this issue and it seems like they at least prefer the newer standard. I'm also no aware of ancedotal failures reported for these cards.

Just in terms of ancedotal reports it seems like they are all DIY builds? I know enthuasists let's just say often have a higher opinion of themselves but if the failure reports skews to just DIY builds and not OEMs or SI what does that say about the issue?
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If this is true it comes down to cable.
DIY aren’t any worse at assembly, that shouldn’t be the case.

But OEM operates by spec not style. They would use only the cables in spec. That’s something DIY folks wouldn’t do because most enthusiasts want to use their enthusiast gear.
 
arandomguy said:
These OEMs are going to have a way larger sample size than any individual user and even prebuilt SIs in which they have an conforming assembly standard (due to not relying on individual users and self styled experts). I would wonder what the their failure rate data they have on this is in terms of warranty claims. They face higher liabilities and warranty claims would affect the entire system. But on the surface I'm not aware of them changing course on this issue and it seems like they at least prefer the newer standard. I'm also no aware of ancedotal failures reported for these cards.

Just in terms of ancedotal reports it seems like they are all DIY builds? I know enthuasists let's just say often have a higher opinion of themselves but if the failure reports skews to just DIY builds and not OEMs or SI what does that say about the issue?
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That wouldn't surprise me but it is possible that DIY users are simply more likely to post about their experiences on PC hardware forums. If a typical user's prebuilt malfunctioned they might just send it back.
 
homerdog said:
That wouldn't surprise me but it is possible that DIY users are simply more likely to post about their experiences on PC hardware forums. If a typical user's prebuilt malfunctioned they might just send it back.
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The ancedotal reporting side is just one aspect. More importantly as I mentioned they would have internal data and the ability, due to volume, as well to go with a different connector if they chose. Now we can't know their thought process for certain but at least on the surface it seems like if failure rates with the new connector were significant they would want to just switch.

Have their been comments from SIs regarding failures? SIs crossover more with tech media and the reporting. Have any of the tech media reached out to SI contacts and asked if they had any failures from the connector?

Puget Systems for example is an SI and they often report on reliability related information (eg. they release hardware reliability information based on their systems, and for example commented on the Intel CPU issue - https://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/2...-perspective-on-intel-cpu-instability-issues/ or switching from Samsung SSDs - https://www.pugetsystems.com/blog/2023/02/02/update-on-samsung-ssd-reliability/ ) and controversies for instance and I don't recall them ever doing something with regards to the 12VHPWR connector. Their public release about hardware reliability for 2024 for graphics cards didn't mention the issue.
 
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iroboto said:
If this is true it comes down to cable.
DIY aren’t any worse at assembly, that shouldn’t be the case.

But OEM operates by spec not style. They would use only the cables in spec. That’s something DIY folks wouldn’t do because most enthusiasts want to use their enthusiast gear.
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It wouldn't be that DIY is worse at assembly as a whole (practically speaking assembly isn't all that hard either and the barrier to acceptability is pretty low) but the group consistency is likely lower and less controlled than OEMs and SI. User error related issues can be because the user is not aware of it or their own limitations, and reports from their perspective may not be telling the whole story.
 
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