NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50-series Blackwell Availability

Logistics.

It’s the same reason we don’t put all the materials at the work site when constructing a building. Everything arrives just in time, it reduces transport costs, it reduces theft, it also reduces leaks, reduces storage costs.

So after Nvidia made the announcement? They probably started manufacturing. The container is filled and shipped and off it goes. Directly to be sold.

The AIB partners also likely don’t house massive warehouses, so they ship what they finish as well.

My LCS received a decent shipment from gigabyte and all of that got distributed.
I mean I can get with this but there is no reason a major GPU launch has single digit unit counts at Microcenter. Nobody is expecting 100% of demand to be fulfilled within the first week but this is a significant step back from the supply situation with the 40 series launch and the 40 super launch.
 
Causation is reversed, they have low margins because they compete with each other.

It's generally the case for low end hardwares, and that's why most AIB partners are more focused on high end cards, because they are more likely to have higher margins.
For example, on lower end cards such as 3060, the variation of prices between models is smaller, generally something like 10%. However, on a higher end cards such as 4080 or even 4090, you'll see some crazy OC models which are maybe 20% more expensive than other "simple" models. The reason for that is generally when people are buying lower end products they tend to choose the cheaper ones, while when buying higher end products they are more willing to pay more for the bell and whistles.

So there's really no reason for NVIDIA to artificially restrict supply of higher end cards because they are afraid of AIB partners undercutting each other, because they don't want to do that with higher end products. This is especially true this time, because in the past it could be argued that it takes time for existing inventories of last generation products to get cleared, but this time it's already done (it's hard to find any new 4080 or 4090 on the market already).

I'm not saying the supply is not bad. The retailer I mentioned in the first post, only had 28 5090 on the first day (which got sold out, of course), then it's nothing to this day. They sold way more 5080 (419 according to them) but also nothing later. But to say this is because of artificial restriction, I think we need more evidence (right now there's apparently none, only "because it's possible"). There are more other possiblities, such as the rumors last year about some production problems of AI chips eating more wafer allocation, or they really need to fill the AI chip demands so consumer GPU got sacrificed, or maybe it's not the chip but the assemblies of the cards, etc.
 
I mean I can get with this but there is no reason a major GPU launch has single digit unit counts at Microcenter. Nobody is expecting 100% of demand to be fulfilled within the first week but this is a significant step back from the supply situation with the 40 series launch and the 40 super launch.

Why are single Microcenter retail locations special? There's seems to be an inherent bias by framing things that way?

I feel a lot of enthuasists have skewed perceptions. I know from the enthuasist perspective as you frame it it's a major GPU launch. But guess what it is is also? It's going to the lowest selling SKUs over this generation. It's also the launch to the lowest market by volume as well (DIY retail) for those parts. And if we're going to use brick and mortar locations then the likely the lowest channel by volume as well.

As for the 40 series comparisons you should factor in the 40 series was a staggered launch. I'm betting 50 series total shipments were higher than 40 series shipments at launch. And yes there is a reason I framed that way because 40 series launch shipments were the 4090 only, the 4080 launched a month later.

Circling back a bit in terms of enthuasist slant and comparisons, comparing these retail graphics cards to things like the Switch 2 or iphone and etc. are not very analogous as those are really assembled devices. Those devices are really more akin to say OEM prebuilts using the graphics cards. Now Apple and Nintendo only sell the end devices but if you look at something like Qualcomm and Snapdragon SoCs actual phone availability with the high end Snapdragon is something like 6 months after the SoC is announced. The Snapdragon Gen 8 for instance was announced in October last year, I think the first phone with it is scheduled to be available late Feb this year.

I mean again hypothetically to go back to something I mentioned about perspective let's say if Nvidia stock piled for 4 months and that could meet all launch demand is that really a "better" solution? This means in this hypothetical scenario anyone who does manage to buy one now would have been pushed back artificially 4 months. I'll be frank I really hate this perspective, as it's basically saying because I can't enjoy this right now no one else should either until I can. I'm not saying this is your perspective, but this is essentially what stockpiling really is.
 
Why are single Microcenter retail locations special? There's seems to be an inherent bias by framing things that way?
People like buying cards at MC because online stores get scalped during launches and it's a lot harder to scalp MC due to their rules.

I mean again hypothetically to go back to something I mentioned about perspective let's say if Nvidia stock piled for 4 months and that could meet all launch demand is that really a "better" solution?
They don't need to meet all demand, but yeah if they had pushed the launch out a month (and ideally continued making 40 series stuff until we had mid range 50 series products) that would be ideal imo. It just sucks because I'm helping a few guys build and they literally cannot buy graphics cards rn outside of 3060s and 4060s. The 5070 probably isn't going to be much better than a 4070 Super so I'd just recommend they get a 4070S but that's out of stock and the 5070 doesn't exist yet/probably won't be in stock.
 
People like buying cards at MC because online stores get scalped during launches and it's a lot harder to scalp MC due to their rules.

The planet earth is a rather large place. Microcenter has 20 locations.

If we take the 100 or so cards that each Microcenter location had on launch day and multiply that by the number of worldwide computer retailers that amounts to hundreds of thousands of cards.

The world is bigger than the US.
 
I’ve moved this thread to the industry section since it’s primarily a business discussion and not a product or architecture discussion, and tidied it up a little bit.

I also think the thread has run its course unless there’s some new factual information to discuss. It seems to have degenerated into a low-effort tit for tat, which we can probably avoid now.
 
Well, 50 amps through 12 pins is a bit over 4A per pin. USB-C can carry 100W max, and uses a grand total of two power pins... Yoy ever stop to look at how tiny USB-C pins are?

I think we're OK.
It's not 50 amps through 12 pins, it's 50 amps through 6 pins, the other 6 are grounds.
And it gets worse, according to Der8auer he found in his testing one cable carrying 23A when the cable (16AWG) is rated for 10A/13A

As for USB-C, they use high voltage and relatively low amps (5A max)
 
I wonder how that happened considering that all cables there are supposed to connect to one point on both sides of the cable.
Most likely there's some issue with either the cards or PSUs side of things, but these kinds of issues explain why cables melt
 
I wonder how that happened considering that all cables there are supposed to connect to one point on both sides of the cable.
He was talking about it was a no-no to mix gold/tin/other metals in the connectors as the cable in question apperantly did.
Also he mentions that the FE cards does not have Ampere sensors.
 
Most likely there's some issue with either the cards or PSUs side of things, but these kinds of issues explain why cables melt
There can be no issues leading to such result on either. The wires are crossed in the cable connectors. The only way to get higher amperage over a couple of wires would be by physically modifying the connectors.
 
There can be no issues leading to such result on either. The wires are crossed in the cable connectors. The only way to get higher amperage over a couple of wires would be by physically modifying the connectors.
So you're suggesting Der8auer on purpose modified the cable to get these results? That's quite an accusation.
You're also disregarding all possibilities of manufacturing issues and other malfunctions. The fact is we can all see his measurements in one
 
So you're suggesting Der8auer on purpose modified the cable to get these results? That's quite an accusation.
You're also disregarding all possibilities of manufacturing issues and other malfunctions. The fact is we can all see his measurements in one
Buildzoid is in on the conspiracy as well :LOL:

Pretty good explanation of why the 3090 didn't have this problem.
 
It's fascinating that you could cut 5/6 of the load bearing conductors in a 12V-2x6 (H++) cable and you wouldn't know anything is wrong until you smelled the melting plastic. On a 4090/5090 that is. A 3090Ti would not function if that happened.

der8auer said:
Someone on my German video posted:Nvidia RTX50 with MFG - Multi Flame Generation
:devilish: :devilish:
 
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