NVIDIA Fermi: Architecture discussion

I would also like to know this please

 

Actually, I think NVidia stoked those flames, or at least lit them when they promised hard launches a few years ago. Since ATI was floundering badly at the time, it seemed like a smart thing to do, unless you don't see far enough in the future to realize that this industry is cyclical.

They made it an issue, so now it is.

As for the buying either, I think it depends on how the launch is presented. If it is a technology demo, or something else, that is fine. If a CEO with an ego problem led by PR drones that don't have a clue gets up on stage saying "This puppy is Fermi", when it clearly isn't, and they haven't even taped out the final spin.... that is different. When a company is pushing their tame journalists to promote heavily that the launch is imminent, that adds another dimension of slime.

If you hold something up and say, "this isn't ready, and it will be by Day X", and it is, or is quite early, hey, no problem.

-Charlie

 

I really think Nvidia's actions in other aspects of their business lately have left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and so some are reacting in more negative ways to anything that Nvidia is releasing in regards to Fermi.

 

To the best of my knowledge, Intel has never said that Larrabee would be productized, has never promised a release date, has never stated target markets, and has never mentioned much. Publicly.

They have given a public demo, have talked about the ISA, programming model for the family etc etc. Again, no dates for hardware.

All the dates have been leaks or information from mostly Fudo and I, or at least the one that are in the ballpark, there are others that have MIMD/512b memory levels of believability too, but I discount them.

-Charlie

 

No, Intel showed full Larrabee cards, and had the demo running live, you could trace the cables to the monitor. I did.

There were also some that were shown in private in much more details.

-Charlie

 

Chris, again with the exception of the nvfansites I don't see the reaction as anything but positive and it hasn't created a stir either.

Whatever Nvidia thought as a reason to release the picture, wasn't sound at all. They surely must have processed that after the fake card fiasco they were subject to more scrutiny. And what do they do? Release a low quality photo that doesn't answer much but raises more questions.

 

In which case, it's mission accomplished if their goal was just to keep people talking about Fermi.

 

perhaps they were just throwing gamers a bone by releasing something relating to a new generation of Geforce. if you read forums related to PC gaming, you hear much grumbling that Nvidia has spent so much time talking about the GPGPU applications of Fermi but had been relatively silent about any new Geforce.

 

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I highly doubt people are going to forget about Fermi and stop talking about it.

 

Wow, someone actually knows how PR works

 

Thank you, thank you.

digisan bows and looks way to pleased with himself

 

Heh why do you call yourself digisan? Japanese people never use san when they talk about themselves. or is it something else

Sorry for the off topic.

 

He's not referring to himself - that's the narrator in his head.

 

Just a shorter version I use for IRC and such, a little friendlier on the fingers. I also go by "digiwand" at sites that only allow 8 character names.

My soundtrack is even better, you should hear it!

 

Okay, negative press is still press I guess. (No matter how small it is)

 

I have severe doubts you know though; you're far too objective to have a fair "understanding" of PR. You may pay me later the agreed sum to make you look good

 

Depends on how you want or need the PR, bad adverstising at this point when the product is close, is not good. But its a select few on each side, so its nothing that wasn't discussed an analyized before hand. Good vs. Bad PR, depends on what the target is and if that target is benefited by good or bad PR. If it was a rapper, bad PR is great (ok being silly, not everyone, but you get the idea)

 

But this was a reaction towards the negative press they got after the paper launch NV30. And I believe at some point, after the hard launch of one of their products (don't remember which one), they stated that they wanted to back away from hard launches because it's so hard to coordinate from a logistics pov.

That's exactly how I understood the Fermi launch in September. The theatricals that come with it are good for entertainment. They don't bother me.

 

The problem in terms of quality starts exactly when you adjust to stereotypes. It's far easier to raise quality when you de-couple from the latter and that's irrelevant to the field of operation.

 

Is it still PR or is it FUD?

FUD is aimed to damge the competition and that is what they are trying to do. Keep people from buying the ATI cards and have them waiting an unknown time for unrealsed, untested and unfinished NV products.