Nvidia: "ATI's thrown in the towel"

[trinibwoy]

That rhetoric seems very un-AMD like. And why are they referring to Hector Ruiz in that manner if it was in fact prepared by AMD?

 

[Skrying]

That rhetoric seems very un-AMD like. Has this source been corroborated?

The above slide? Its been on HardOCP, Tech Report, etc etc. I'd say its pretty well confirmed and a few days old now.

 

[trinibwoy]

The above slide? Its been on HardOCP, Tech Report, etc etc. I'd say its pretty well confirmed and a few days old now.

Ah, I read it as a response from AMD. It reads much better as a response from ATi. Which explains the big ATi logo on it

 

[KimB]

Well, in the short term, it's obvious that nothing is going to change. But I think it's only going to be natural moving forward to see both Intel and AMD slowly but surely supporting their own products over their competitors.

For example, Intel will likely do what it can to de-emphasize ATI's chipsets (either by giving nVidia new specs first, or by just providing better support for high-end systems in their own chipsets). They may also prevent notebook manufacturers from using the "Centrino" brandname if any ATI parts are used.

On AMD's side of the fence, they're likely to give their own ATI division technical specs before they are given to nVidia.

Now, moves like these shouldn't have any effect on the add-in-board market for GPU's, but should have a very significant impact on the chipset market, though a slow one.

 

[Razor1]

Lol, I've seen Indian (among other countries) hardware websites, they're much more full of fud and misinformation than American ones, often corporate sponsored by nvidia or Intel's Indian branch. Quite interesting to see something Intel sponsored saying Intel cpus are so much faster because of their higher mhz, and then compare the top of the line Intel dual core to an Athlon 64 single core with benchmarks all stacked in favor of the dual core.

Yeah tell me about its pretty much brainwashing too, most people there have no idea about computers let alone components.

 

[Fox5]

Yeah tell me about its pretty much brainwashing too, most people there have no idea about computers let alone components.

The country sure does produce a lot of computer software engineers (and possibly hardware?) though. They really seem to emphasize math from a young age too, I'm going to school with a young man from India and he's quite good at math but (understandably so) his English really isn't up to par. His poor English skills actually kept him out of my school's engineering program, but I don't doubt he'll get in next year due to his excellent math skills and above average (significantly so based on even the upper classmen comp sci majors I've met) programming skills. Of course, I'm only going to a state school so it's not like it's that selective, but I really only personally know three people who are better at programming than he is, and one of them is me (though I rarely do any programming), another started up some web-design company, and the other is a shut-in who learns additional programming languages for fun. Of course, it's not like my conversations with people often contain "so, what apps have you done?"
BTW, not trying to use this one guy as an example of the entire country, but he doesn't seem to be an atypical example. He also happens to be quite a hard worker, which, imo makes up for any lack of programming ability he may have. It's rare to meet a college student who's not worried about deadlines, because they spent every available minute on whatever task they had to do until it was done, including significant preplanning.

 

[Razor1]

definilty some of the hardest working and extrememly math inclined people come from there, but most of thier young lives thats all they do study study study, not much outside of that.

Things like computer parts, most engineers here not just in India, don't have a clue about different computer components when it comes to performance unless its something that is very nessessary for the work they do.


But there you have to have a good amount of money to purchase a computer, average computer costs are about 15 to 20k, monthly income is around 7-8 k, so it will be a huge chunk of thier earnings. The richer guys probably made thier money when computers weren't around so as long as the computer can do what they need it to do, they really don't care much about the core components. There isn't a huge enthusiest market either, I took over a 6800 ultra 512 (was going to sell it, well did sell it got 40k RPS for it, close to 900 bucks) most of the shop owners didn't know what they were looking at . PCI-e isn't even that big over there, most of the system builders don't carry pci-e motherboards they had to be special ordered. Gamers tend to play games that are 3 to 4 years old. The market over there is very behind and very pricey.

 

[Fox5]

Well, I wouldn't expect India to be at the top of the heap for hardcore gamers.

Anyhow, many up and coming computer engineers I've met at my school still think mhz is all that matters, or that 64 bitness is what makes athlon 64s faster than pentium 4s, or maybe they'll have an idea that more FLOPs = better thanks to Sony's marketting of Cell, but generally don't have an idea of how their computers work. I don't know if it gets better at the higher levels, hopefully it does.

 

[Razor1]

Very true, its kinda funny that these guys don't look into whats inside thier box. As a kid who started playing games on comps, that on itself go me interested in what makes a computer tick, its just funny these guys dedicate thier life earnings on making software, and or use comps for the better part of thier lives and still they don't

 

[Fox5]

Yeah, pretty much the same story with me, and it really amazes me to find people interested in getting into the field (or already in the field and with far more indepth technical knowledge than myself) yet they don't really understand the hardware in the slightest. Not that I'm all that knowledgable about it myself, I couldn't say with any certainty why a Pentium M outperforms a Pentium 4 of much higher clock speed (I guess it's really a combination of many factors, and not easy to attribute to something like "shorter pipeline, large cache") but it pains me to hear things about computer architectures that aren't even remotely correct. Some student did a little technical brief thing (a 1 page PR poster) on the Cell processor that they managed to get hung in the engineering building, and it really contains no useful information. Just some stuff on how it's so much faster than any desktop processor because it's a super computer on a chip and has 7 cores!

 

[_xxx_]

The Indian engineers I met had great theoretical education but didn't even know how to solder a wire. Needless to say, they can stay at home until that gets better.

 

[DudeMiester]

Someone I know who once managed a team of Indian web-developers said even there they needed constant supervision. Way too often, when confronted with a requirement or problem they had not seen before, they would just ignore the specifications and do what they know. Naturally, this would totally wrong, and he would have to make them redo everything a couple times, so that they would be so tired of redoing it they'd actually do something creative and get it right. I suppose that's a reflection of their education system too, given how strongly it stresses memorisation while dismissing understanding as incidental.

Anyways, how did we get on this topic? lol.

 

[KimB]

God, that sounds so much like a commentary of schools in Brazil by Feynman when he visited there. They stressed memorization so much that when he would ask a simple question that had them apply knowledge that they had memorized to a physical situation, they were totally dumbfounded.

 

[mito]

God, that sounds so much like a commentary of schools in Brazil by Feynman when he visited there. They stressed memorization so much that when he would ask a simple question that had them apply knowledge that they had memorized to a physical situation, they were totally dumbfounded.

Not true...

 

[KimB]

Not true...

What's not true?