Indeed almost twice the 3090 non Ti performance, which would be quite impressive for normal raster performance.
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Indeed almost twice the 3090 non Ti performance, which would be quite impressive for normal raster performance.
DegustatoR
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So apparently there are people who are disappointed with 4090 being just 2X of 3090
hmmm odd... I got much higher score for TSE. I can't share the exact score because it will automatically give out my source but let's say more than 20% higher...
Edit: Oh I just saw the new Kopite7kimi tweet and it's more like it. So he was sandbagging
hmmm odd... I got much higher score for TSE. I can't share the exact score because it will automatically give out my source but let's say more than 20% higher...
Edit: Oh I just saw the new Kopite7kimi tweet and it's more like it. So he was sandbagging
RTX4000 series are going to be very impressive, be it raster, RT or AI capabilities. Larger jump than Turing>Ampere. People will see soon enough
The baseline are 10TF consoles…. There wont be another ’Crysis’ i think.
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hmmm odd... I got much higher score for TSE. I can't share the exact score because it will automatically give out my source but let's say more than 20% higher...
Edit: Oh I just saw the new Kopite7kimi tweet and it's more like it. So he was sandbagging
3090Ti average score from 3dmark website is 10500-10800, VCZ seem to have used a much better 3090Ti custom model. So it's close to 80% faster even at this 'conservative' score.
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Is this means that there are other secrets in the memory subsystem not only increased L2$ size?
The jump from old&subpar Samsung 8nm to shiny TSMC 5nm should bring enormous gains by itself. That's not a bad starting point considering Ampere being a very good base.RTX4000 series are going to be very impressive, be it raster, RT or AI capabilities. Larger jump than Turing>Ampere. People will see soon enough
Apple has shown how efficient TSMC can be over its competitors.
Anyway, with the already impressive increase in performance Ampere had over Turing, Ada sure is going to impress with a even larger jump.
Pretty depressing when you realize that PC GPUs will be pushing 3-10x that number barely 2 years into the current console generation.
I understand, but i also see it from another angle, lower-end hardware, be it consoles or pc's usually always have set the baseline, even twenty-plus years ago. Its not really only the consoles fault, theres many gaming-pc's out there not being high-end either. Most pc's are what the consoles are into the generation. The same argument can be used for all the millions of PS4's, One S's and Nintendo consoles out there.
There were more games using more powerfull hw back then though, Doom 3, HL2, Far Cry, Crysis come to mind, but those types of games werent over-representing the market either, most games where following the baseline back then too. The landscapes have changed, for consoles too. Most games are multiplat these days, its not really like the PS2 days where you had a large amount of exclusives, much more than now.
Its a general change across all platforms from mobile and streaming to high-end console and pc gaming. Scaling and multiplatform is the new thing these days, and i dont actually think its so bad. Were just transitionining to unify platforms and games i think.
With this topic and new GPU's in mind, theres more reason to it now than ten years ago. Now with the advent of ray tracing, AI technologies, high FPS gaming (at higher resolutions) together with scaling becoming better than ever before, its not bad times to be in. In special now with Sony porting over their games to the PC platform, often with (much) higher fidelity and performance, even features like ray tracing being added. i foresee scaling becoming better and better going forward aswell. Exclusive high fidelity games ala Crysis, its just not the way forward in todays and the futures markets anymore, neither for PC or console hardware.
DegustatoR
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We're looking at ~2x at 450W if we go with these rumors. If these will hold it will be a bigger perf/watt improvement than what AMD promised for RDNA3.
The cross platform dynamic is nice. More games on all platforms. You’re right that the hardware target isn’t defined by top end cards but that target moves much faster on PC (2-3 yrs) than on consoles (8-10 yrs).
True. Though with scaling and new features entering the market, one can exploit higher fidelity/settings, features like RT and resolution/performance this generation. its not too bad. But ofcourse we all want things like Crysis and Doom 3 to happen, its just not feasible for studios and developers.
I think were going abit offtopic with this
Over in the Hopper thread, we were wondering about DSMEM ("Distributed Shared Memory"),
This is a feature we'd like to see in AD102. But like Multi-Instance GPU (MIG) in A100, DSMEM may only be for Hopper? Any rumours?
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Kopite mentioned Ada would have similar structure. But I don't think this is the secret of the cache memory that Kopite hiding from us.
betternatethanlever
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Actually it's not that bad this time because the last console generation leap was smaller and the hardware was even weaker where contemporary mid-range GPUs were able to outperform PS4/XBO before their release at very affordable prices. In fact, you could build a PC with similar or better performance at the same cost just a few months after their release (750 ti+cheap i3). Besides, games continued to push PC hardware as they always have. This time around the console CPUs get a decent upgrade as well so it will be interesting to see how that translates into CPU usage in upcoming games.
Lots of developers are still targeting last gen consoles so once they move to a single hardware generation target we'll really see a difference. I mean even last gen we had massive jumps in visual fidelity in the same series from the start of the gen to the end or so (COD Ghosts > COD MW, BF4 > BFV, AC4 > ACUnity, GTA V > RDR2). Basically what I'm saying as time goes on, we will see significant jump in visual fidelity as we've seen in every console generation.
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