by the time nv30 comes out.. that is 1st quarter of 2003, it would be about 4 months plus ati would have reigned the world of high end graphic chip. nv30 most probably overtake it there then. but add in 2 or 3 months n then comes r350, , n the nv30 fame will be shortlived. about just 2 to 3 months. the delay of nv30 is gonna cost them alot in the long term. ati's release shedule has become alot earlier then nvidias n the cycle will continue i guess.. if thats soo.. its bad news for nvidia..
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Prometheus
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If nv30 comes out Q1 2003 it will surely have to compete with r350 which is comming same time.R350 is supposed to support DX9.1 (if there will be such a thing)so it will deffinetly be more programmable, maybe even more than nv30!!!
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Prometheus said:
I think an R350 that soon will just be an up-clocked, DDR-II R300. I think the added flexibility and DX9.1 would have to take just a little bit longer.
I think it is interesting the way even ATI fans seem convinced that the NV30 will be faster than the R300. All I hear from the nVidia marketing machine, though, is flexibility, flexibility, flexibility, not speed. I'm sure the NV30 will be released with DX9 benchmarks that show it is fast, but I'm not sure it will have an edge in more conventional benchmarks.
For apps heavily dependent on DX9 technology, performance might come down to the skill with which HLSL can be converted to highly optimized shader instructions for the chip. In other words, the battle (in part) might be shifting from silicon engineers to compiler writers. (Something like that is going on in the CPU world, where the success of the IA-64 architecture depends on the development of highly optimized compilers.)
Prometheus
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LMAO!!!Doomtrooper said:
Boy, you sound so much more confident than any NVIDIA personnel that have gone on record about this... obviously you must work for NVIDIA and not being passed information by someone claiming to be from NVIDIA or claiming to be a not-from-NVIDIA but claims to be a reliable, um, source.alexsok said:
Oompa Loompa
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Pretending that your misunderstanding was "sarcasm" does not enhance your already low credibility.
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(It's not the substance of your posts that we're judging now, it's the irritatingly insistent tone. Even if you turn out to be right, in the sense that NV30 will be announced and "available" before Christmas eve 2002, your constant pushing of unsubstantiated "facts" is getting on people's nerves. We know what you have to say already. Repeating it automatically every time someone challenges a rumor won't make it any more true in our eyes. Your immediate and sometimes nonsensical evasive replies to a challenge aren't endearing, either, but now I'm just picking nits. 1337 speak in non-gaming conversation [e.g., "U 2 m8"]is a pet peeve of mine, too.
And Rev, for our slower-on-the-uptake readers, the sarcasm tag is. Clarity is paramount!
In short: we're all taking this too seriously. Kick back and enjoy the product releases as they come. If the R300 is any indication, we're it's all gravy in the 3D world for the forseeable future. 8) )
(It's not the substance of your posts that we're judging now, it's the irritatingly insistent tone. Even if you turn out to be right, in the sense that NV30 will be announced and "available" before Christmas eve 2002, your constant pushing of unsubstantiated "facts" is getting on people's nerves. We know what you have to say already. Repeating it automatically every time someone challenges a rumor won't make it any more true in our eyes. Your immediate and sometimes nonsensical evasive replies to a challenge aren't endearing, either, but now I'm just picking nits. 1337 speak in non-gaming conversation [e.g., "U 2 m8"]is a pet peeve of mine, too.
And Rev, for our slower-on-the-uptake readers, the sarcasm tag is
. Clarity is paramount! In short: we're all taking this too seriously. Kick back and enjoy the product releases as they come. If the R300 is any indication, we're it's all gravy in the 3D world for the forseeable future. 8) )
DaveBaumann said:
If You look at the JPEG's from PCWatch.jp they position the R350 at march 2003. If this info is correct then it's really NV30 <-> R350 now.
Link : http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/docs/2002/0905/kaigai01.htm
I don't think so. Xbitlabs has just an newsstory about DDRII. According to them ATi will sample an DDRII-card/chip before christmas.
Link : http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1031414563
I'm not sure myself if the NV30 will be faster than the R300. An new presentation (26_2slides.pdf) showed the NV30/Gen4 as running at 450MHz, but the same presentation showed Gen1/TNT at 125MHz (but we know only TNT2 was that fast); Gen2/GF at 250MHz (but GF1 was only 120MHz) and finally Gen3/GF3 at 350MHz (but the GF3 was only 200MHz, and maybe the NV28 will reach 350MHz). So it seems highly unlikely that the NV30 will reach more than 350MHz.