NPD August 2010

4.58%
4.59%

Are you really claiming those values are significantly different?

You make it sound like you disagree with what I said, but merely provided math to back it up. Thanks

 

You're right... the PS3 slim and increase in sales YOY leading up to Madden 11 probably had a lot to do with it.

 

Did that actually happen? Just curious.

 

Link?

BTW, 360 has widespread piracy, PS3 does not.

 

This would have happened just as much with PS3 slim...not buying the familiar argument "360 slims are just repeat buyers but somehow PS3 slim buyers are not". Even if it's pretty much conventional wisdom on Neogaf by now, and no matte how much ahem, anecdotal "evidence" on the internet supposedly bears it out.

 

He said worldwide which is probably true.
NPD-wise? I would have a harder time believing although not out of the realm of possibility.

 

Maybe, but I dont think it's exactly a hard fact. Wondering why he thinks so...

The only places purporting to have WW numbers would be vgchartz (lol) or maybe some sort of aggregate software shipments numbers I'm not aware of. He's most likely using those old EA numbers or whatever, which arent really proof.

NPD wise very unlikely...360 did have 4 of top 10 vs 2 ps3 for example, other multiplats higher on 360 (mafia 2, MW2) etc. If anything all that evidence points to 360 higher.

The more I think about his WW numbers it's probably true. Install bases are within 10% and once you factor in piracy, RROD, and average time of ownership, PS3 might have the edge. Then on the other hand PS3 has a large edge in Japan which sells comparatively little software, so maybe not. But anyways whether true or not I'm sure we dont have those numbers...

 

yes, the ps3 sold approx 20million units software(*) more than the xbox360.
The xbox360 started off with a hiss and roar in 2006 ti-tie ratio but has shown a marked decline in acceleration in the past couple of years, I assume this is cause of software piracy being more prevalent on the xbox360. Though now that the ps3 has been apparently broken perhaps it will suffer the same fate.

(*)data can be found from sony+MS financial reports

@AlphaWolf, no

 

Can you link that specifically? MS does not report software shipment figures. They (sometimes) report a tie ratio, but it's for US only most likely since it's always in conjunction with NPD.

 

Well, that can be perfectly true (I don´t live in the States, so I don´t know the feel of the youth directly), and in that case, the sales of Kinect (kinectimals, dance central, etc) should be extremely huge. Beyond Wii 09 levels...

When something really hit the point and has a good environment for the growth, with fame well stablished and a generalised good shape in consumers´ minds, the succes is almost a logical conclusion.

The point is that XBOX software sales are not as impressive than HW. A good starting point for a young boy that go for a console can be Madden, and the similarity of the numbers in both platforms has make me fool, considering the (big) hardware gap.

But what you say is, from my point of view, really important, because Kinect is addressed to Wii consumers (at least, it´s what I perceive), and those are in a good amount kids and really mature people (and girls). I´ve always think of XBOX in US as having their public in between, that is, young boys, teenagers and boys with ages between 12-25. And Madden (I believe) is just the right product for that sector of the society.

Obviously, in Christmas, with Kinect and relative flat sales for Wii, XBOX could destroy their previous marks, if the assumption of being a new "de facto" general purpose console is true.

We´ll see. I really don´t have a solid answer for this, but my assumption of a percentage of replacements taking part of the sales for XBOX this month is based in the bad perception that (here in Spain) have the old refurbished console models, even with warranty, because of their relative short life span.

I´m sure that december will clarify those questions.

Cheers.

 

I forgot another very important point why its not surprising the ps3 has sold more software over the last 12 months.
Its also sold a lot more consoles, 3.9million based on shipment numbers
A console aint much good unless you also buy games for it

 

You also forgot to link Rangers.

 

Using shipment numbers is a terrible way to actually track sales in a given time frame.

 

How else could you track sales?

 

NPD counts units sold at retail. Units shipped is the number sent to retailers, but they could be sitting on shelves.

 

Well, the amount on shelves shouldn't increase or decrease that much so to me it seems like a good source.

 

It's good source when the measured timeframe is really long like since launch, but not so good when the timeframe is short and could include some lower than normal supply numbers due to channel clearance. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking this 12 month number zed was throwing out there is a pre 360 slim shipping numbers and naturally the volume was low just before that. Zed often likes to forget something like that.

edit: If that 3.9 million zed said was in relation to NA shipment numbers, which it probably is considering the context, then I'm quessing it includes one dry pre slim quarter for 360 AND one juicy slim PS3 quarter, the one where it launched. That skews the shipped numbers quite a bit... Definitely not an accurate picture. As far as I know 360 has outsold PS3 during these 12 months at retail in NA.

 

whats in dispute specifically?
A/ Over the last 12months according to sony's data 125million software units have moved worldwide (do u want a link to this, if u dont believe it?)
B/ according to MS, over the same time period the xbox360 attach rate has only increased very minor (latest figure is I believe 8.9(*)) now with some simple maths + using MS's own console shipment numbers u will find out theyve moved ~20million software units less (do u want a link to this, if u dont believe it?)

(*)MS might quote attach rates only on USA numbers, 2 things to keep in mind
1/ US accounts from 1/2 of xbox360 sales (whereas ps3 its ~1/3) i.e. a fair chunk
2/ US consumers typically buy more software units per console than europeans (do u want a link to this, if u dont believe it?)
i.e. the 20million figure was me being generous to MS, the actual figure will most likely be closer to 30million

@Dr Evil
do you dispute that worldwide over the last 12months (4 financial quarters) sony have shipped worldwide 3.9million more ps3's than xbox360s?
I stand behind the figures + can link to sony/MS's financial records showing this.
you're just looking at US numbers which dont tell an accurate story worldwide, eg lets choose another country, how about finland since you live there

I assume you read finnish
http://www.figma.fi/Vanhat tiedotteet/tiedote21042010.htm
http://www.figma.fi/Vanhat tiedotteet/tiedote21012010.htm

2009, software share
ps3 19.8%
xb360 13.8%
wii 11.8%

2010, software share first quarter
ps3 23.3%
xb360 15.3%
wii 10.9%

I can provide a link showing the ps3 is the best selling console in finland if you dispute it (but as you live there I assume you know already)
Actually finland like here in NZ, are a couple of the few countries where the wii has performed the worse

 

Difference of shipped to retailers (sony) to sold to consumers (msft)? Link please.

 

IIRC MS have switched to shipped = retailers rather than consumers, ummm sometime in the past year ... sorry my google-fu is weak