Nokia's Present & Future

I've never even heard of Coolpad and according to that article it has a market share of 3.6%.

3rd largest in China (or 3rd largest chinese?) apparently, though with quick glance on their site I'd be more eager to call those "featurephones" rather than "smartphones"
 
when nokia start making feature-rich cheap smartphone ill consider buying it again.
nowadays Samsung and Sony are a lot cheaper and feature rich.
 
http://m.gsmarena.com/nokia_might_release_a_smartphone_with_16element_camera_lens-news-5975.php

Nokia recently snapped up pelican imaging... They specialise in array smartphone camera technology, basically instead of one large sensor they put in 16 cameras which along with some funky software, allows you to do such things as re focus the image after capture.. Similar to a LYTRO camera demoed at CES.

Pelican imaging has said it has one customer for next year.... Nokia surely.
 
Nokia didn't "snap up" Pelican Imaging. Nokia is investing in them. That's a little different. Another thing, Pelican Imaging considers itself to be more of a software company, which I think means it shouldn't be too odd of we see Pelican Imaging technology build by Sony for example.

I think that depends on what my meaning of 'snapped up' is, investing that kind of money in a small company effectively means it's under Nokia control, if not owned outright, to me that is 'snapped up'.

Also they made a statement saying they have one customer, presumably that is Nokia however I didn't suggest no other company could use the technology.
 
Elop is getting publicly slammed by shareholders:

Reuters said:
Many shareholders at the annual general meeting in Helsinki said Elop should reconsider his 2011 decision to switch to the phone operating software made by his former employer Microsoft, which has left the company scrambling to get back in the race from a standing start with its new Lumia range of smartphones.

"You're a nice guy ... and the leadership team is doing its best, but clearly, it's not enough," one shareholder, Hannu Virtanen, told Elop. "Are you aware that results are what matter? The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Please switch to another road," he said.

The transition to Windows Phone from Nokia's own Symbian system was meant to take two years. That period is now over, and while recent results have shown growth in sales of Lumia smartphones using Windows Phone 8 software, the volumes pale in comparison with the top Samsung and Apple models, and sales of its regular mobile phones have plunged in the meantime.

Nokia shares have also plunged, now trading at 2.72 euros, a fraction of their 65-euro peak in 2000.

Asked why they still held Nokia stock despite poor results and a suspension in annual dividends, some older attendants at the AGM admitted to being sentimental about a firm that symbolized Finland's rebirth after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, its main trading partner.

Institutional investors have been less willing to cling on; Finnish pension fund Ilmarinen, its second-largest shareholder, recently revealed it had cut its stake by 27 percent in the first quarter.

NO PLAN B

Elop on Tuesday reiterated the company's commitment to Windows Phone software.

"We make adjustments as we go. But it's very clear to us that in today's war of ecosystems, we've made a very clear decision to focus on Windows Phone with our Lumia product line," he said. "And it is with that that we will compete with competitors like Samsung and (Google's operating system) Android."

Juha Varis, senior portfolio manager at Danske Capital, which owns Nokia shares, said Elop may be making a mistake.

"He has closed doors," he said in a phone interview. "They don't have new ideas now. Their fate is all in Windows Phones."

Some analysts have also been critical, saying Lumia sales were not strong enough to ensure the company's survival.

Nokia sold 5.6 million units of Lumia handsets in the first quarter. That was up from 4.4 million in the previous quarter, but its market share was still only about 5 percent, with Apple and Samsung together controlling over half the market.

"He's managed to decrease costs but not to increase market share," said Magnus Rehle, senior partner in Greenwich Consulting, which advises telecoms companies.

"Maybe they could go back to Google and say we also want to go with Android. Even if it hurts. Microsoft, they've had their chances, and are not managing to take off," he said.



Elop is against the world, now. I'm surprised this took so long.
 
The question is, would they have been better off if they had chosen another route? I'm afraid that if they had chosen Android or Meego they may have ended up in the same situation they're in right now. That's all just guess work unfortunately.
 
Meego would have been dead as a fking doorknob on arrival; there just isn't room for all these separate smartphone OSes on the market. PC was king for so long because it was ruled by one ring - *cough*, sorry, one OS, to rule them all. It's just as well that they dumped that meego piece of junk when they did, it would only had been a drag on company resources and put them in a WORSE spot than they are now; nokia simply doesn't have the software development muscles that microsoft does.

Nokia with android would potentially just have made them yet another me-too android phone maker, unable to distinguish themselves very much, and getting steamrollered by samsung like everybody else these days. Still, perhaps more preferable to hopping onto the windows phone bandwagon. Maybe now though at this late stage it would be best for them to remain right where they are...? Android market is very very crowded, and who knows, windows phone just might take off some day. *shrug* (Hey, it could happen! :LOL:)
 
Or maybe at least do Android in addition to Windows.

But then MS will cut their royalty payments.

But if they could more than make up for those payments with greater sales ...
 
Meego would have been dead as a fking doorknob on arrival; there just isn't room for all these separate smartphone OSes on the market.

We'll talk about that when Jolla comes to market.

PC was king for so long because it was ruled by one ring - *cough*, sorry, one OS, to rule them all. It's just as well that they dumped that meego piece of junk when they did, it would only had been a drag on company resources and put them in a WORSE spot than they are now; nokia simply doesn't have the software development muscles that microsoft does.

Nokia with android would potentially just have made them yet another me-too android phone maker, unable to distinguish themselves very much, and getting steamrollered by samsung like everybody else these days. Still, perhaps more preferable to hopping onto the windows phone bandwagon. Maybe now though at this late stage it would be best for them to remain right where they are...? Android market is very very crowded, and who knows, windows phone just might take off some day. *shrug* (Hey, it could happen! :LOL:)

Here's the difference:
- People didn't want to use WP7. It was the crappiest OS I had to ever deal with, and I had to deal with it for too many hours/days. People still don't like WP8 very much because honestly apart from allowing for better SoCs it doesn't seem to lift many of the previous limitations.

- People want to use Android. There are tons of people who would've bought a 808 Pureview if it had Android, or a Lumia 920/820/710/620 if it had Android.
 
Meego would have been dead as a fking doorknob on arrival; there just isn't room for all these separate smartphone OSes on the market.

If there is room for 3 there is room for 4. Also, you could port very easily from Meego to Symbian (big market!) so app developers would have quite an incentive producing Meego apps.
 
We'll talk about that when Jolla comes to market.



Here's the difference:
- People didn't want to use WP7. It was the crappiest OS I had to ever deal with, and I had to deal with it for too many hours/days. People still don't like WP8 very much because honestly apart from allowing for better SoCs it doesn't seem to lift many of the previous limitations.

- People want to use Android. There are tons of people who would've bought a 808 Pureview if it had Android, or a Lumia 920/820/710/620 if it had Android.

People dont WANT to use android.

They use android because thats what they're friends (who like to root and mod) have.

Whenever I pull out my 920. everyone asks "what kind of phone is that?" "Can i make my android do that?" "I have an old iphone 5"...derp.
 
People dont WANT to use android.

They use android because thats what they're friends (who like to root and mod) have.

Whenever I pull out my 920. everyone asks "what kind of phone is that?" "Can i make my android do that?" "I have an old iphone 5"...derp.

No.
People want to use android because together with iOS, it's practically omnipresent in everything, from the latest games to news channels, museum guides and even A/V receivers with their own, native apps.

And the answer for "Can I make my android do that" is always yes. Yes, there are millions of Androids that can make anything your 920 can.
I can even strap on an additional weight to my android to make it as thick and cumbersome as your 920 if I wish to.

The same can't be said about your 920 being able to do lots of android stuff.
 
Grall, you ever use MeeGo? Didn't think so.
Samsung only have one OS? Didn't think so.
Open platforms like MeeGo, Mozilla, Jolla, Ubuntu, etc, make for easy porting (html5 and Qt)? Yup.

It's called risk mitigation or, in a western idiom, "don't put all your eggs in one fucking basket"

Remember Nokia crowing on about besting apple in China? You know Apple who doesn't even have a deal with China's number one cellular provider? Well Apple climb back to 5th place last quarter and Nokia's still nowhere to be found in the stats.

Elop is an unmitigated disaster. He had a cash cow, tons of cash in the bank, a fledgling OS and, most importantly, TIME. He burned down that TIME platform and the rest have run through his hands like water.
 
Whenever I pull out my 920. everyone asks "what kind of phone is that?" "Can i make my android do that?" "I have an old iphone 5"...derp.

Uh, like what? I'm sure you don't mean "not last a day on a charge" or "not have a user-replaceable battery" or "not access your file system" so you must mean "live" tiles and menus that swing in to the screen?

Seriously though, is there something a 920 can do that Android cannot?
 
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