Nobody should buy a 360 ever.
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ShadowRunner
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Hang on. Do replacement consoles really count towards sales figures?
It's not entirely anecdotal: there was actually a recall. I owned an original xbox built after the date listed in the article and yeah, it was a tank. Certainly compared to the PS2's DRE problems.
I know a bunch of people who had 360s go RROD. There's a lengthy warranty and customer service to handle that. Hopefully you'll get your unit back fast. Some guys I know got their systems back in a week.
If you're really worried about reliability of electronics, it only gets worse from here. As consumer electronics get more and more complicated, failure rates will go up. It's inevitable. The 360 design issue is a big problem. PCB respins are tough business.
The headphone jack on my ipod touch broke just after the 1 year warranty expired. It isn't worth paying to get it fixed. My brothers 60gig launch PS3 died just after his 1 year warranty expired. It cost him $200 to get it fixed (and they wiped his save games for some reason). Video cards, hard drives, memory all die regularly in PCs. You're pretty much bound to experience a number of massive failures if you're into gadgets. The way I see it, you can't get too mad about it if the company making the product acknowledges the problem and offers you a good warranty. Shit is going to happen.
If you're really worried about reliability of electronics, it only gets worse from here. As consumer electronics get more and more complicated, failure rates will go up. It's inevitable. The 360 design issue is a big problem. PCB respins are tough business.
The headphone jack on my ipod touch broke just after the 1 year warranty expired. It isn't worth paying to get it fixed. My brothers 60gig launch PS3 died just after his 1 year warranty expired. It cost him $200 to get it fixed (and they wiped his save games for some reason). Video cards, hard drives, memory all die regularly in PCs. You're pretty much bound to experience a number of massive failures if you're into gadgets. The way I see it, you can't get too mad about it if the company making the product acknowledges the problem and offers you a good warranty. Shit is going to happen.
No. NPD tracks point of sale. The don't track refurb/replacement units sent out by microsoft.
No, but no one has said that.
People in this very thread confess to having bought at least 2 when one has broke and here in the real world I don't know a single person that owns a 360 that hasn't bought at least 2 either.
Actually I meant that my experiences were anecdotal. I know the original XBOX had some problems, I just didn't experience any of them directly. By contrast, I remember quite well having to flip my PS1 upside-down to get it to read discs before the drive finally failed altogether.
DeadlyNinja
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For 440 bucks, you could probably build a pretty nice PC that'll trounce the 360 and PS3. Outside of 1 or 2 true exclusives, you can find most 360 games on the PC and usually better quality (not counting Turok).
I just don't see the appeal of having everything in a box, though. I'm not the only person at home that uses the entertainment systems, so if more than one person wants to use it, you're screwed. If someone wants to use Netflix while I'm playing a game, you'll just end up fighting over it.
I just don't see the appeal of having everything in a box, though. I'm not the only person at home that uses the entertainment systems, so if more than one person wants to use it, you're screwed. If someone wants to use Netflix while I'm playing a game, you'll just end up fighting over it.
Oh oh oh, I own one and only one. It's also lasted me 14 months so far.
It wasn't for the fact I didn't the buy the Elite first, then I would have only bought one too. When I do buy a true 2nd one, it will be the rover unit that goes to my wife & kids.
Tommy McClain
Oh my whenever I read such thread I feel worried.
I have a PS3 and a 360. My PS3 still didnt show any problems. It is one of the original 60GB Euro models than can play PS2 games. I certainly wouldnt want that model to have any problems since it is a rare one.
My 360 is supposed to be the newest model and was bought this November. I dont play it much either so I doubt it will have any problems.
2 of my friends that bought of the old bunch of 360's though had problems. One got an RROD in less than a year. The other one's 360 started scratching any disk he d put inside. Which pissed him off and bought a PS3 instead.
So far I havent known anyone whose PS3 had a problem and I hope I d never see such occasion
I have a PS3 and a 360. My PS3 still didnt show any problems. It is one of the original 60GB Euro models than can play PS2 games. I certainly wouldnt want that model to have any problems since it is a rare one.
My 360 is supposed to be the newest model and was bought this November. I dont play it much either so I doubt it will have any problems.
2 of my friends that bought of the old bunch of 360's though had problems. One got an RROD in less than a year. The other one's 360 started scratching any disk he d put inside. Which pissed him off and bought a PS3 instead.
So far I havent known anyone whose PS3 had a problem and I hope I d never see such occasion
DeadlyNinja
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The PS3 is actually pretty solid this time around.
BTW, here are some videos of the LAST GEN consoles put to a durability test. I warn you, not for the weak of heart. It doesn't matter which console you like, but it hurts to see them getting abused like that.
Warning, extreme console abuse and horrible Morgan Webb voice over.
Not in English, but the results speaks for itself.
BTW, here are some videos of the LAST GEN consoles put to a durability test. I warn you, not for the weak of heart. It doesn't matter which console you like, but it hurts to see them getting abused like that.
Warning, extreme console abuse and horrible Morgan Webb voice over.
Not in English, but the results speaks for itself.
The PS3 is definitely a pretty solid box, but I still think something so expensive should have a longer warranty. That's not so much a Sony thing as electronics in general. I mean, most things come with a year and you have to pay for more. I'd hope that anything I bought in that price range would last at least one year. The problem is, products dieing just past the one year warranty.
The problem my brother had with his PS3 was that it shut off a few times on its own. Then it wouldn't turn on at all. Basically he was screwed. They told him they'd wipe his save games (I have no idea why), but he didn't have a way to back them up. I guess he'll never finish Bioshock now.
I fully expect my 360 to die at some point. I knew that going in. Kind of a drag, but the warranty was the only reason I even considered it.
Not everywhere though, the EU mandates a minimum period of 2 years.
It's a sorry state of affairs. I hate it when people say the following sort of thing in response to these stories but... my Elite is fine.
Being a principled sort I'm never going to get complacent about RROD or other errors. Especially given the mythology that surrounds RROD. I can't see myself ever saying well, I knew it could happen so accept it.... That's not on. The situation is as it is, and MS - whilst not comfortable - are aware of the issue. But it just shouldn't be.
Still, as I said, not having been affected I can't get too animated. Although I fully understand OP's point of view.
Being a principled sort I'm never going to get complacent about RROD or other errors. Especially given the mythology that surrounds RROD. I can't see myself ever saying well, I knew it could happen so accept it.... That's not on. The situation is as it is, and MS - whilst not comfortable - are aware of the issue. But it just shouldn't be.
Still, as I said, not having been affected I can't get too animated. Although I fully understand OP's point of view.
None of which mean anything. The chassis strength is no indicator of component robustness. You could have a weapons-grade titanium case that's bulletproof and repells all physical assaults flawlessly, but chips that fry after 6 months use due to inadequate cooling. Consoles aren't designed or built to survive that sort of abuse. One could even argue that a system that was strong enough to survive was overengineered, adding cost that was unnecessary.
People are making a living repairing RROD's (albeit temporarily) so kudos to Microsoft for providing people with extra income.
Most fixes seem to involve baking the motherboard.
http://www.articlesbase.com/compute...to-repair-3-red-lights-on-xbox360-926238.html
Most fixes seem to involve baking the motherboard.
http://www.articlesbase.com/compute...to-repair-3-red-lights-on-xbox360-926238.html
If my 360 dies I'm tempted to take it apart and get an x-ray. It would kill my warranty, but I don't think I've ever seen a proper x-ray of the CPU/GPU.
My personal and amateur guess is functional but cold solder joints cracking due to vibration. I think the lead free process has probably caused problems with getting good BGA connections. Unfortunately cold solder and cracks could be very hard to spot on an x-ray. They're actually extremely difficult problems.
My personal and amateur guess is functional but cold solder joints cracking due to vibration. I think the lead free process has probably caused problems with getting good BGA connections. Unfortunately cold solder and cracks could be very hard to spot on an x-ray. They're actually extremely difficult problems.
That's good. Sucks for me. A one year warranty on expensive electronics is pretty much crap. There are a huge number of failures related to ESD or manufacturing that could show up after one year, and the consumer should be protected. Obviously everything can't be lifetime, but I think one year is far to short to be reasonable.
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