No NV30 means no NV30 pics
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I imagine you'll find similar drops in every one of the PC-centric publicly traded companies.
Doomtrooper said:It all goes back to Journalistic intergrity, something the internet is lacking on a Grand scale. Even today after the conference call yesterday not one site reported it, in fact Nvnews posts a X-bit labs article based off a thread here stating October is still the Target date...
http://www.nvnews.net/#1028128979
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Hmmm Well at least Mike Chambers stepped up to the plate...good for him.
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Did nVIDIA thenselves actually say that those images were rendered on an Nv30?
Just curious since everyone is so quick to attack nVIDIA for false advertising but I have yet to see anywhere where an official announcement proclaimed that the images were in fact rendered on a NV30.
Sharky's article said that the images were possible using NV30 tech. and that the bike pic was rendered in Cg, but I have yet to see where it was stated that the images were indeed rendered on an nv30.
Anyone?
Just curious since everyone is so quick to attack nVIDIA for false advertising but I have yet to see anywhere where an official announcement proclaimed that the images were in fact rendered on a NV30.
Sharky's article said that the images were possible using NV30 tech. and that the bike pic was rendered in Cg, but I have yet to see where it was stated that the images were indeed rendered on an nv30.
Anyone?
DrT said:
That's marketing for you. The thing is you can't take what you like out of it and dismiss the rest. If some of it's less than candid, there's a good chance most of it is less than candid. But again that's just marketing.
M$ released pre-rendered demos long before the first X-Box was developed as a means to show investors what they were shooting for. Using pre-rendered scenes and animations for this kind of thing is very, very common in the industry. You won't find many who haven't used it from time to time. The defense is, of course, that using pre-renders is the only way to demonstrate the concept behind a product before the product itself is completed, and as this kind of product development often requires investment funds prior to completion, it's easy to see why the practice is quite widespread.
Generally, the people most negatively affected by disclosures of this type are people who mistook the pre-renders for product renders and reached certain conclusions as to the product itself, and as to the evident stage of product development. FInding that the images they saw were pre-renders on other hardware, these people feel as though all of their conclusions were wrong and unjustified.
I don't think you need be so hard on yourself, or so hard on nVidia. But I think for future reference you can assume that when product concepts are being demonstrated that unless otherwise stated such concepts are indeed pre-renders. And you can assume that such pre-renders are meant as a demonstration of concept as opposed to a specific product demonstration.
Timing is everything in this market, that is true. However, nVidia's closest competitor right now is ATI, and it is extremely doubtful ATI will ship a .13 micron R300 by X-Mas 2002. In fact, I'd say that ATI probably won't go there until well into '03 2nd calendar quarter sometime. Even if nVidia misses XMas '02, the company still has all of the 1st cal. quarter in '03 to ship the product well ahead of ATI's .13 micron R300. So, really, the company has an abundance of time.
And from the complexity of this chip as loosely speculated at this time, it looks like this chip is something nVidia definitely should not rush. Putting out a buggy piece of silicon 2-3 months early to satisfy a self-imposed schedule would be far worse, in my opinion, than putting it out in good working order 2-3 months "late."
It's true, though, that from the time ATI begins shipping the R300 nVidia will have a rough go of things for awhile. So you are right not to underestimate the seriousness of their position. A lot is hinging on a successful nv30--I think much more than most would have believed a couple of months ago, because most didn't think ATI had something like the R300 "in them"....
Knowing that ATI has a formidable competitor in the R300 has got to seriously up the pressure levels on Chang and the rest of them at nVidia as to just how serious nv30 is going to be for the company.Bigus Dickus
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Ben stated that he had seen one or more of the images with different backgrounds, and also in video, not stills. The natural conclusion, as he was told, was that they were rendered on the NV30. Apparently, it was either off-line or a simulator.Andergum said:
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