No Excuse PDZ Hi res HD footage

[jvd]

Seems like we have a new thread like this every day

Why the need to constantly bash ? Are you guys that affraid it will be a system seller ?

Everyone i've heard from that has played the gmae has told me its a really fun game . There are some negatives like the character models but then again this is a launch title that will be out in a month. Do we not remember the ps2 japanese launch product ? How about the dreamcast japanese launch line up ?

Pdz is a port of a xbox game (i still say it started on the cube) that was made into a xbox 360 game and you can see some of that in the agame . You can see that the characters are using less polygons , you can see that the world isn't as fleshed out as it could be and many effects are kinda thrown on .

However that being the case and it being a launch title it still looks damn good and better than every shooter i've played on the pc this year including the fear beta . But regardless of how it looks , if in the first month of the xboxs release i can play a solid game with good graphics with 31 other people at once i will be a pig in shit my friends . The only other fps in the same time frame as this game is cod 2 and while it is a beautifull thing to look at on the box its only 8 people at once and they have said with good connections 16 people at once. The 2 games are in diffrent leagues and the graphics ca'nt be judged souly on face value .

We already see the leap we are going to get about 5 months after launch. We go pdz / cod to gears of war . That is because around that time developers will have had final boxes for a year and they can actually take advantage of the xeno's features because the games will be coded for the gpu . NOt on x800s or 9800pros and hten ported . They will be made for the tri core cpu , not dual core power 5s

 

[Powderkeg]

Regardless I wish they didn't go with that look. Being cartoony just doesn't cut it for me.

That's nice.

 

[Acert93]

Why the need to constantly bash ?

Being critical is not bashing. If you back your statements up with objective information or note that you dislike something subjective, like art direction, well, that is what a game forum does. Obviously there are people who will bash almost anything Sony, and vice versa. I think we all know who people like that are so ignore them.

Are you guys that affraid it will be a system seller ?

This is baiting and you know it. Being critical of a game does not mean there is some alterior motive.

"Oh noes, PDZ is gonna be great and be a system seller, damage control, lets trash on it!"

The fact is a number of media outlets have been equally luke warm to the game. This is not a "Sony vs. MS vs. Nintendo" deal. If you stopped framesetting negative comments about the 360 in the perspective of "they are a Sony fan" you may realize that some of us may have valid opinions, even if you disagree.

Afraid it will be a system seller.... pfttt. Like anyone is basing their comments on the potential success of a title.

 

[jvd]

This is baiting and you know it. Being critical of a game does not mean there is some alterior motive.

NOpe its a question. Why the bashing . Which if you've read the pdz threads you will see there is no shortage of it .

Why do we need 12 threads (at last count) on why pdz graphics suck or there is no excuse ?

Why ?

These threads are baiting and you partake in each and everyone and then act as some saint . Bravo

The fact is a number of media outlets have been equally luke warm to the game. This is not a "Sony vs. MS vs. Nintendo" deal. If you stopped framesetting negative comments about the 360 in the perspective of "they are a Sony fan" you may realize that some of us may have valid opinions, even if you disagree.

There has been both negative and postive things in the press about this game. It still doesn't mean we need a large number of threads on this title with negativity in each and everyone of them .

Secondly why are you coming in and posting negative things against me ? Perhaps if you actualy formed your own opinons instead of trying to play the non bias poster role (which you are obviously not) you wouldn't sound like you do .

Some of you have valid opinions but why the number of threads ? ALl it is now is bitching and there is no reason for it to exist .

Afraid it will be a system seller.... pfttt. Like anyone is basing their comments on the potential success of a title.

Then why the number of posts with negative things about the game ? why keep trashing on it ?

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24306
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24329
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24219
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24196


these are just the ones on the first 2 pages of the forums that i found as of writing. All of them have the same negative comments posted each time . Why the need ? There is obvouslys some reason why . Esp since these threads were all created with in 5 days of each other

 

[ImaginaryIndustryInsider]

Why the need to constantly bash ?

?

I think the majority of this thread has been fairly positive, and when compared to the average GAF/System Wars 1 "PDZ thread", it's down right lovey-dovey.

 

[Acert93]

NOpe its a question.

Asking a question that insinuates motive is not a question.

Why the bashing

You assume people are bashing. Again presuming there is an alterior motive driving the comments.

I think most adults here are mature enough to realize that opinions or that, even if factually driven. Some people like the Ken&Barbie look, some hate it. To assume those who think it looks poor are "bashing" ignores the fact they have given reasons.

If I were to look at the world through your lenses I would have to conclude that you "BASH" almost anything Sony as you seem to have endless negative comments for their games and platform.

Which if you've read the pdz threads you will see there is no shortage of it .

Maybe there is new media? Maybe people don't want to read 10 pages of stuff to get to a new video?

Or maybe they wanted to start a new thread to DISCUSS the footage and avoid comments like your which insinuate those who disagree with your position are trolling.

These threads are baiting and you partake in each and everyone and then act as some saint . Bravo

It was about time you recognized my Sainthood. Since you have come to terms with such please refer to me as Saint Acert93 from now on

with negativity in each and everyone of them .

Constructive criticism is valid. MS is calling this the "Halo of the 360" so of COURSE it is going to be put up to the highest scrutiny!

Secondly why are you coming in and posting negative things against me ?

I replied to your COMMENTS, you are replying about. You need to learn to make a distinction. Your inability to separate comments from people is really annoying.

Further, I was replying to your insinuating comments. You already convicted those who disagreed instead of having a meaningful and thoughtful discussion. This is why I replied to your *comments*.

But it is as clear as day to anyone reading your post that you are not content talking about the issues but instead want to talk about PEOPLE. As we see here:

Perhaps if you actualy formed your own opinons instead of trying to play the non bias poster role (which you are obviously not) you wouldn't sound like you do .

Wow. So I guess when I gave my opinion and listed a NUMBER of reasons on the first page of this thread they were the opinion of another because I cannot form my own opinion

As for being "biased", well, it appears you are getting quite close to name calling (if you have not already crossed that line).

This thread is a good example of taking a discussion topic and baiting it with 1.) insinuate there is an alterior motive to someones comments and 2.) respond and attack people instead of dealing with their post and their comments and 3.) your name calling of those who you disagree with.

We would not need so many threads if people would not commit the three sins above.

If you feel the need to continue personal attacks on me please take them to the Site Feedback forum. Your personal comments about me being unable to form my own opinion and being biased are out of place and derail the thread.

Deal with the posts and issues, not the people.

 

[mckmas8808]

MS is calling this the "Halo of the 360" so of COURSE it is going to be put up to the highest scrutiny!

JVD this is the sole reason why people are critising this game more than any other game on the X360. If you are going to say this is your Mario or Gran Turismo of your new system expect people to say something about it if it is not up to snuff.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Not really. PD0 just carries with it alot of natural hype, being the sequal to a game rated 9.9 on gamespot, the spiritual successor to Goldeneye which one of the most universally enjoyable games by fans of ALL genres.

The Halo comments were made recently, and regardless of whether that statement was made or not, people would still feel the need to be overly critical with PD0. Combine that natural hype with the sub-par showing at E3, and it's natural the game is going to get scrutinized heavily.

Alot of it is unfounded IMO, if you take a look at this video, there is not a big problem with overly shiny surfaces, all the surfaces here look excellent:
http://playerone.be/news_details.php?id_news=3320 Obviously some stages look more 'natural' than others IMO the quality in this video is very realistic.

Taking a look at this screenshot:
http://pix.nofrag.com/cd/3d/1019188f7ab097cc11cea7b7f15a.jpg
The character model, weapon model and lighting are all top notch.

All in all it's come a long way since E3, the GFX look great and I'm sure they will look even better on a true HD display after another 6 more weeks or so of tweaking. More importantly this game seems to retain the overall feel of goldeneye, so it should be good fun and that's what really matters.

With that said I'm dissapointed this isn't the graphical showcase it should be, however games like Kameo, Oblivion and PGR3 should fill that void until some of the really nice stuff comes out next year.

 

[seismologist]

could pass for an Xbox game but it still looks like fun.

Make it a $40 PC game and I'm there

 

[pegisys]

maybe this game will be nextgen in other way. some of the stuff they are doing with co-op and multiplayer haven't been done on a console game. If rare can keep still make game like they used to I'm sure the single player will have some new types of gameplay that hasn't been seen on current consoles

The thing about graphics, I think most people here also play pc games and most of the new eye candy that is being thrown in has been seen before, but I was showing the same videos to friend that don't play on the pc and they were amazed and could clearly see that it was above anything out right now on consoles

 

[Tap In]

could pass for an Xbox game ...

when you see it in real life in HD, I challenge you to say that with a straight face.

 

[London Geezer]

Regardless I wish they didn't go with that look. Being cartoony just doesn't cut it for me.

Well MS aren't forcing you to buy the bloody thing!

Come on people let's keep an open mind to things! If you don't like the look, fine, but let's not put in doubt a studio's design choice and artistic expertise because you happen not to like the look of a game they're doing!

(And the above coming from a supposed Sony fanboi is quite something)

 

[Acert93]

With that said I'm dissapointed this isn't the graphical showcase it should be, however games like Kameo, Oblivion and PGR3 should fill that void until some of the really nice stuff comes out next year.

Graphically I would agree that others will "step in", as for gameplay PDZ may be the best thing since sliced cheese (loved 007) so I would not count it out yet Some of my favorite games have been, well, ugly And with games like GTA leading sales I think it is safe to say a game with passable graphics and killer gameplay will sell well.

 

[mckmas8808]

Well MS aren't forcing you to buy the bloody thing!

Come on people let's keep an open mind to things! If you don't like the look, fine, but let's not put in doubt a studio's design choice and artistic expertise because you happen not to like the look of a game they're doing!

(And the above coming from a supposed Sony fanboi is quite something)

Oh please don't go there. I have said this about the game after seeing this new video.

Guys that know me, know what system I'm about. But I have to be honest PDZ is coming around ALOT. It actually looks nice to me. The death animation is fixed and looks cool (i.e. not much ragdoll like this gen). HDR lighting (if that's what it is) looks nice. Co-op looks really fun. Looks like this game could be an easy 8 out of 10 if not more.

No fanboi here LB.

 

[jvd]

Asking a question that insinuates motive is not a question.

There were two questions . ONe asked why the bashing . The other was a question of if i'm correct in my theory of why . Surely someone that can use such big words like insinuates can see that there were two questions asked .

But of course that doesn't jive with your agenda

You assume people are bashing. Again presuming there is an alterior motive driving the comments.

I think most adults here are mature enough to realize that opinions or that, even if factually driven. Some people like the Ken&Barbie look, some hate it. To assume those who think it looks poor are "bashing" ignores the fact they have given reasons.

If I were to look at the world through your lenses I would have to conclude that you "BASH" almost anything Sony as you seem to have endless negative comments for their games and platform.

Of course its bashing when the same people are saying the same things in each and every one of the the threads . If they were discussing the games they only need to say they don't like the look and why once , not once per topic in a 5 day span .
That is clearly two diffrent things .

An example would be me saying killzone is prerendered and listing why . That is discussing . Me following around mckmass and posting each time he said killzone could be real that it isn't real and sony is lieing would be bashing . Which is whats going on in these pdz threads .

Maybe there is new media? Maybe people don't want to read 10 pages of stuff to get to a new video?

Or maybe they wanted to start a new thread to DISCUSS the footage and avoid comments like your which insinuate those who disagree with your position are trolling

If there is new footage why not update the old thread. Why constantly bring up the same qualms each and every time a video comes out . If you say it once that is fine its not bashing , the 4th or 5th time and it is .

It was about time you recognized my Sainthood. Since you have come to terms with such please refer to me as Saint Acert93 from now on

No there are other things i would call people who believe they are above human emotions specificly human bias that is natural in all of us . But i'm affraid that isn't proper languge on the forums .

Constructive criticism is valid. MS is calling this the "Halo of the 360" so of COURSE it is going to be put up to the highest scrutiny!

Really when did they say this ? Actually every big interview i've read on this game paints it as a very diffrent game than halo . Not only that but if this is the halo of 360 then what is halo 3 supposed to be ? The killzone of the 360 ??

I replied to your COMMENTS, you are replying about. You need to learn to make a distinction. Your inability to separate comments from people is really annoying.

Further, I was replying to your insinuating comments. You already convicted those who disagreed instead of having a meaningful and thoughtful discussion. This is why I replied to your *comments*.

But it is as clear as day to anyone reading your post that you are not content talking about the issues but instead want to talk about PEOPLE. As we see here:

Apparently you didn't . Because u will see i was basing my claims on comments made by these people in multiple threads on the subject.

As i said , say it once that is fine , to keep on repeating it over and over and that is a problem .

Wow. So I guess when I gave my opinion and listed a NUMBER of reasons on the first page of this thread they were the opinion of another because I cannot form my own opinion

Nope i don't believe you can as you follow any clique of the moment . You flip flop constantly in your opinions only because u want to please everyone with your new attitude .

As for being "biased", well, it appears you are getting quite close to name calling (if you have not already crossed that line).

This thread is a good example of taking a discussion topic and baiting it with 1.) insinuate there is an alterior motive to someones comments and 2.) respond and attack people instead of dealing with their post and their comments and 3.) your name calling of those who you disagree with.

Hey reread your own posts and see how close you are to name calling .

As for this thread , its a good example of protecting trolls . You seem good at it . Read the links i posted and search the forums for the other 8 or so pdz threads and see its the same people making the same negative (and they are no matter how you want to spin it ) comments about the game , over and over again in an endless bashing .



This forum is going down the tubes quickly . You have the trolls and then you have the troll pleasers who rather watch thier karma go up than actually try and fix the situation .


Bravo for adding to it acert. Bravo .

 

[jvd]

Well MS aren't forcing you to buy the bloody thing!

Come on people let's keep an open mind to things! If you don't like the look, fine, but let's not put in doubt a studio's design choice and artistic expertise because you happen not to like the look of a game they're doing!

(And the above coming from a supposed Sony fanboi is quite something)

Not only that but say it once, don't say it in every single topic on the subject. We got the point the first 2 or 3 times you said u didn't like the look of the game mckmass you don't need to come in and say it each time the subject of pdz comes up . It gets tiring and this is whats happening in each pdz thread. Its the same people saying they don't like it in each thread

 

[therealskywolf]

The 1st footage i saw from the game was pretty bad, and the cutcene at Xo5 was horrible.

But the gameplay footage that has been release really made me change my mind, the game actually does look pretty good, i like the art style, and it's obvious that this is technically a pretty advanced game.

IMO it doesn't looks as good as Kameo, but IMO it looks better than any PC FPS outthere(At least technically).

I know i'm getting Kameo at launch, but i'm having a hard time "forecasting" wich, between PDz and COd2, i'm going to choose as a 2nd title.

 

[seismologist]

Not only that but say it once, don't say it in every single topic on the subject. We got the point the first 2 or 3 times you said u didn't like the look of the game mckmass you don't need to come in and say it each time the subject of pdz comes up . It gets tiring and this is whats happening in each pdz thread. Its the same people saying they don't like it in each thread

jvd that's what the topic is about though. If you dont like hearing negative impressions then dont blame us, maybe you should email Rare. Yeah maybe I have said it didn't look so great once but then every time you have appologists saying not to worry because after such and such event it'll look 70% better. So naturally people are going to keep an eye out for the supposed improvements.

And after all this is their flagship game...I mean geez, imagine the backlash we'd get if Killzone for PS3 were to turn out looking like this.

 

[mckmas8808]

Not only that but say it once, don't say it in every single topic on the subject. We got the point the first 2 or 3 times you said u didn't like the look of the game mckmass you don't need to come in and say it each time the subject of pdz comes up . It gets tiring and this is whats happening in each pdz thread. Its the same people saying they don't like it in each thread

Umm jvd you can leave if the only thing you want to do is stir up a fight with everybody. I recall on many counts people reiterating how they feel about the possible future of UMD, will the Rev contoller change gaming, who will win between Blu-ray and HD-DVD, if PS3 videos were real, will RSX be a direct port of the Geforce 7800, is multithreaded games needed next-gen or could they have held off one more cycle, etc. THAT'S WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR!!

If I can only say how I feel once or twice then what's the use in coming here. The forum would be boring. You need to pick a fight with the thread starters not me or Acert93. We are just posting our opinions on the thread just like you are about me and Acert's post. Do we have a rule that says you can only give a negative response to a game only 2 times or less?

 

[mckmas8808]

jvd that's what the topic is about though. If you dont like hearing negative impressions then dont blame us, maybe you should email Rare. Yeah maybe I have said it didn't look so great once but then every time you have appologists saying not to worry because after such and such event it'll look 70% better. So naturally people are going to keep an eye out for the supposed improvements.

Thank you point proven by seismologist. Ok game over lets get back on topic.