Nintendo Switch Tech Speculation discussion

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Eurogamer was wrong about 2GHz CPU 1GHz GPU, but "eurogamer can do no wrong" so those were obviously just the limits on the silicon and the completely different clocks had an excuse.
Then eurogamer was wrong about 1600MHz memory and max. 300MHz GPU in handheld mode, but "eurogamer can do no wrong" so those were obviously "just clock tweaks".

Eurogamer shared information from their industry sources, and none of it was wrong.

When they revealed that the silicon was capable of 2/1 gHz that was because people had been informed that those were the "silicon limits". And indeed, it is the silicon limit because basically the same chip has shipped in a product that maxes (before throttling obv) at 2/1 gHz.

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No-one ever said that they'd ship at these clocks in the Switch - some thing many of us have been at pains to point out for months. Again, that was a max figure for the silicon, and was reported as such. And it turns out that those almost certainly are the max clocks for the silicon that Nvidia can provide, though Nintendo are possibly free to bin for whatever criteria they like.

Eurogamer later reported what Nintendo had told developers the final clocks were. Note: Eurogamer didn't set the final clocks themselves, they simply reported on what Nintendo had told developers the final clocks were, under a title of "final clocks". These figures were later leaked elsewhere, it's just that Eurogamer revealed them first.

Now, after months of analysing final or near final software Nintendo have traded the 1600 mhz mobile memory mode for a 384 mhz GPU mode. It's interesting to note that this is tradeoff and not an outright bump. Nintendo are engaging in fine tuning of configurations. This absolutely makes sense.

All these developers must be having a blast, with ever-changing memory bandwidth, GPU and CPU clocks that take enormous jabs at whatever low-level optimizations they're trying to achieve, up to a week from launch.

Probably not too much low level development going on. It would be wise to isolate hardware via the API with a view to future Switch revisions. A GPU clock bump is unlikely to cause any problems at all, and just because we're only finding out now doesn't mean developers didn't know earlier.

Any other outlet would have been scrutinized for these kinds of maneuvers, but eurogamer keeps changing their goalposts and somehow for you people that makes them more credible and not less.

Eurogamer haven't moved any goalposts. They've only shared information that developers have been given.

And I'm still expecting additional configurations to appear over time, when the use case for those configurations arises. And if that happens Eurogamer still won't be wrong for passing on what Nintendo had told developers at the time.

CPU clocks going from 2GHz in July to 1GHz in December in is anything but usual clock tweak.

CPU clock in the Switch was likely never going to be 2 gHz. Ever. Again, that was a figure given as a max for the silicon, not for the Switch.

To be honest, this wanting to believe is starting to look like a bit of an accusation.

I think it's more of an explanation than anything.

Cutting memory bandwidth in portable mode from 25GB/s to 20GB/s (20% less) in shared GPU/CPU resources at the last minute is just a setting?

Yeah, it's literally a setting.

And the 384 mHz mode is probably more of a speed bump in overall frame time than the loss of BW in most or all games (assuming that a game was using 1600 in mobile mode and not 1331 to begin with). I expect Nintendo have been doing a lot of profiling.
 
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It could also be the media. Cartridge vs. SD card. I'm getting Zelda on cartridge but if DF conclude a fast SD card is better I'll buy future titles like this digitally.

It's kind of sad, but I'm looking forwards to the performance tables of different SD cards vs standard carts.

NX speculation has been some of the most fun ever. I haven't enjoyed an actual video game this much for months.:cry:
 
I expect battery life to be around 90 to 180 minutes with medium brightness
Testing has already been done with Zelda with max brightness, and it was just over 2.5 hours.

It will beinteresting to see if Nintendo gives a docked performance upgrade at some point. From the Shield TV test over at Gaf, it looked like the TX1 can manage higher clocks on the GPU if the CPU cores are limited to 1Ghz. Perhaps a similar boost that the new portable profile enables. Something like 921Mhz seems possible. Even Eurogamer mentioned the rest done at Fox Con, and didn't write them off, but instead figures it's probably stress testing.

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Maybe PP is talking about battery life if it was running at dream-land specs of 2Ghz CPU and 1Ghz GPU?
 
To answer that you'd need to give me the power draw of the screen and the processor. Nintendo's official line is the battery life is between 2.5 and 6 hours which is pretty wide.

You're going to notice that if you play on the go a lot.

Not at all surprised by this as it's roughly the battery life range of the New Nintendo 3DS (I really wish they hadn't used "New" in the actual name of the device). I wasn't expecting them to deviate too much from that considering how well the 3DS sells. I would have liked longer battery life at the low end, but can understand why they made that choice.

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Indeed, though I wonder if it might be dubious given the non-linear scaling in memory bandwidth from mobile.
That's a good point. More often than not, docked games will probably run into the memory bandwidth limitations before shader performance is maxed. The benefits of a clock increase docked might be negligible, and I would bet Nintendo has done the testing to find the sweet spots.

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No, I don't pay that much attention. ;)
But the argument you raised against them makes no sense. How is this not trying to prove their fallability?
Clock changes at Nintendo's end doesn't discredit DF one bit. At the time of writing, the info provided was correct. If you genuinely think DF are probably right, then you wouldn't have raised complaints about them being wrong and unreliable over a clock speed which is usual fodder for last minute changes.
anybody who follows the industry know's eurogamer is a damn good source, they don't use the word confirmed lightly, there story goes into great detail with docs/developers, and matches every other reliable source. eurogamer has a close to perfect track record, of course no one is perfect. the main problem with foxconn leaker is, it's a crappy source with a lot of wrong/ made up info that doesn't give a clear picture about the specs, and with no other source backing it. now the foxconn source would have been fun to speculate, if the eurogamer info like docs/developers didn't exist, and it had another reliable source backing it. trying to discredit the solid eurogamer info, with the weak foxcoon leak info is not logical to me.
 
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anybody who follows the industry know's eurogamer is a damn good source, they don't use the word confirmed lightly, there story goes into great detail with docs/developers, and matches every other reliable source. eurogamer has a close to perfect track record, of course no one is perfect. the main problem with foxconn leaker is, it's a crappy source with a lot of wrong/ made up info that doesn't give a clear picture about the specs, and with no other source backing it. now the foxconn source would have been fun to speculate, if the eurogamer info like docs/developers didn't exist, and it had another reliable source backing it. trying to discredit the solid eurogamer info, with the weak foxcoon leak info is not logical to me.
The problem is the Fox Con leaks are aknowledged by Eurogamer to have credibility. Eurogamer points out that the guy obviously worked there, and had hands on contact with the Switch. Outright dismisal of the Fox Con leak because the workers "speculation" being incorrect was ignorant. The problem was people were taking his speculation as fact, and there is always the language barrier muddying things up as well. The Fox Con leaker has proven credible, and only his speculation, which he himself stated was such has turned out to be incorrect.

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Yep. We should take trustworthy 2nd hand evidence as is. Leaks are our primary weapon in taking down the Armies of Ignorance to liberate The Truth. Never were they more powerful than the console wars of 2005 where the Dark Shrouds of Hardware Mystery were completely torn apart long before the IHV were ready to ransom the Truth to us.
 
The problem is the Fox Con leaks are aknowledged by Eurogamer to have credibility. Eurogamer points out that the guy obviously worked there, and had hands on contact with the Switch. Outright dismisal of the Fox Con leak because the workers "speculation" being incorrect was ignorant. The problem was people were taking his speculation as fact, and there is always the language barrier muddying things up as well. The Fox Con leaker has proven credible, and only his speculation, which he himself stated was such has turned out to be incorrect.

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That's not the reason for the dismissal, the reason for dismissal was we have a proven source telling us they can confirm seeing recent nintendo docs, and talking to developers, as well as no other source backing foxconn. Some of the things he got incorrect was not speculation, he confirms a 4g model, and he confirms a dock that gives switch ps4 pro performance, plus way too much useless speculation, without facts.
 
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That's not the reason for the dismissal, the reason for dismissal was we have a proven source telling us they can confirm seeing recent nintendo docs, and talking to developers, as well as no other source backing foxconn. Some of the things he got incorrect was not speculation, he confirms a 4g model, and he confirms a dock that gives switch ps4 pro performance, plus way too much useless speculation, without facts.

You don't know if he got the 4g model and the dock wrong, so their points about your attitude remain. Eurogamer info certainly doesn't preclude the existence of such devices, which could be planned for next year or whenever (or never/canceled). The documents Eurogamer has seen are both only pertaining launch day Switch and several months old. And Eurogamer acknowledges the Foxconn leak as real and admits they don't actually know what those tests at higher frequencies could be about.
 
That's not the reason for the dismissal, the reason for dismissal was we have a proven source telling us they can confirm seeing recent nintendo docs, and talking to developers, as well as no other source backing foxconn. Some of the things he got incorrect was not speculation, he confirms a 4g model, and he confirms a dock that gives switch ps4 pro performance, plus way too much useless speculation, without facts.

Eurogamer is backing up Fox Con, the guy definitely works there and saw the Switch. As for the model coming with an additional GPU, Capcom spoke of such a development kit not that long ago that comes with a GPU capable of emulating the Switch on PC to speed up development. So its possible that is what he was seeing. Your dismissal of everything simply because his speculation was incorrect is foolish in my opinion. For all we know there could be a limited run of 4G models that will be sold through a cell phone carrier at some point. Probable? No, but plausible for sure. Your adamant that Eurogamer is the only trustworthy source, and they are telling you this guy was hands on with Switch, and your still dismissing it. Eurogamer has proven to be the most reliable source, but not the "only" source. It may be the only one you choose to believe, but if others choose to discuss other rumors/leaks, I do not believe its constructive to criticize other members who choose to participate in discussion regarding leaks/rumors from sources other than Eurogamer.
 
Eurogamer is backing up Fox Con, the guy definitely works there and saw the Switch. As for the model coming with an additional GPU, Capcom spoke of such a development kit not that long ago that comes with a GPU capable of emulating the Switch on PC to speed up development. So its possible that is what he was seeing. Your dismissal of everything simply because his speculation was incorrect is foolish in my opinion. For all we know there could be a limited run of 4G models that will be sold through a cell phone carrier at some point. Probable? No, but plausible for sure. Your adamant that Eurogamer is the only trustworthy source, and they are telling you this guy was hands on with Switch, and your still dismissing it. Eurogamer has proven to be the most reliable source, but not the "only" source. It may be the only one you choose to believe, but if others choose to discuss other rumors/leaks, I do not believe its constructive to criticize other members who choose to participate in discussion regarding leaks/rumors from sources other than Eurogamer.

I'm not getting what's so hard to understand, i already said the foxconn is real, and the part about specs should be dismissed because of eurogamer info is clear, because there is no way a tester is gonna know more then eurogamer sources, which are developers that have recent nintendo docs, in what world would nintendo tell developers to target such low clocks if they had 16nm pascal/maxwell, with 75% increase in cpu power. if nintendo did plans those specs in the foxconn leak they would have known a long time ago, and wouldn't be telling developers to target such low clocks, just common sense.
 
I don't usually post about my connections, but this is too interesting to pass... This weekend I talked to friends working in the industry, it was a very casual discussion and they told me a few things about their understanding of the switch hardware. They are more artists than programmers or engineers, so take this into consideration. Maybe they misunderstood what my question was, or were not really sure what part of the hardware I was referencing, or maybe we were too inebriated. So here's the thing, they absolutely convinced me the switch contains an Amiga Blitter.
 
I don't usually post about my connections, but this is too interesting to pass... This weekend I talked to friends working in the industry, it was a very casual discussion and they told me a few things about their understanding of the switch hardware. They are more artists than programmers or engineers, so take this into consideration. Maybe they misunderstood what my question was, or were not really sure what part of the hardware I was referencing, or maybe we were too inebriated. So here's the thing, they absolutely convinced me the switch contains an Amiga Blitter.

Thank you, that made my day. :)

Regards,
SB
 
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