Next Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [2018]
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I'd welcome a return of a camera in the base unit if used properly. EyeToy is still cool. 
I'd welcome a return of a camera in the base unit if used properly. EyeToy is still cool.
Was quite cheap too, back then the eye toy camera came with the first eye toy game i bought.
I'd welcome a return of a camera in the base unit if used properly. EyeToy is still cool.
Loved eyetoy, wishi-washi in particular...great family fun all round
The price of a RTX 2070 means it not a mid range GPU. To me at least. Bloody thing cost what a high end card cost when PS4 came out.
Yes they are too expensive for what you get, its a 2018 mid-range GPU. Ram and GPU prices are way too high now, wonder if that affects console manufacturers too?
There's nothing about 2070 that makes it a mid-range GPU. Price, die size, nomenclature. Take your pick.
Its mid-range in performance for a 2018 released new architecture GPU. With the top end being at 14TF, the 2070 does about half that. No difference with PS4's 7870 level of performance for its time.
By no means would i personally call the 2070 a monster two years away from now.
By no means would i personally call the 2070 a monster two years away from now.
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I find it hard to believe Sony would release a console with such small an increase over the Xbox one x.
The CPU will be significant and be a game changer for next gen...TF is just one factor.
Its not that big of a increase in TF either to Turing but they perform much better then 10 series.
What does play a bigger role for gaming, CPU or GPU, i mean what should they spend the most on?
I'm no expert, I just know that people saying '2x the X isn't enough for next gen' are wrong!
From what I can gather the CPUs this gen are holding devs (and game development) back. Having a more powerful CPU will obviously help with that. Also (from what I can gather) it's about getting the balance right, it's no good having too much power in one area. Then of course there has to be adequate RAM and bandwidth. I suppose (if I were to boil down your original question), in a PC you probably spend more on the GPU, but my comment was more about how weak this generations CPUs are compared to what is likely in next gen consoles.
Anyway, the other factor is that the TF number is just one factor of the GPU - there will be other improvements, along with potential tweaks that Sony/MS will have made for specific tasks.
Anyway, I'm well out of my depth here...*runs away*
advances in GPU would be more significant than CPU (provided all this arrives for next gen)
Mesh Shaders are different from draw calls, so, removing CPU there (nvidia only)
GPU side dispatch save on CPU as well, looking at culling etc. (exists already, but not supported due to AMD and PS4 not having it)
Physics and all that modelling can be done on GPU, and if available tensor cores. (maybe available for all)
Next gen should be very GPU heavy, there's no reason to rebalance it in favour of more CPU.
Mesh Shaders are different from draw calls, so, removing CPU there (nvidia only)
GPU side dispatch save on CPU as well, looking at culling etc. (exists already, but not supported due to AMD and PS4 not having it)
Physics and all that modelling can be done on GPU, and if available tensor cores. (maybe available for all)
Next gen should be very GPU heavy, there's no reason to rebalance it in favour of more CPU.
Interesting, so you think next gen will launch with similar 'weak' CPU like they did this gen? If so does than mean another gen of 30fps/frame drops? I'm disappointed, I was hopeful of a good CPU upgrade.
KeanuReeves
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Correct me if I am wrong but when you talk about balance are you talking about allocated die space for each?
For instance, the PS4 has significantly more die space allocated for the GPU than the CPU. But in the several months old Digital Foundry video about the possible hardware in Sony's next-gen machine, they said something to the effect of a Ryzen CPU could potentially be as small as the PS4 Jaguar
Or are you not talking about things such as die space and more the overall design and intention of the system? Like the PS3 was heavily CPU focused.
correct die space.
not necessarily. We use the CPU a lot today for a variety of graphically related tasks. And as we move away from that, the CPU frees up to do other things.
I believe it will be a Ryzen CPU, but I don't see them allocating more silicon die space to it than GPU space in accordance to ratios of this generation.
You've not seen a GPU driven title, or we've not seen one with mesh shaders either. Believe me when I say this, graphics code eats up a majority of CPU.
Yeah, I can understand that. So more gets shifted over to the GPU freeing up the CPU to do the CPU specific tasks. I guess because at the moment the CPU 'TF' is so low then the effect of moving these tasks over to the GPU has a much more positive effect on CPU than negative effect on the GPU? So the efficiencies/added features on GPU are going to be the biggest gain next gen. I guess the bandwidth and RAM is the potential bottleneck next gen? RAM largely due to cost?
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