Next Gen PR: Put your money where your mouth is!

[MechanizedDeath]

Someone should get a tivo grab of that Phil Harrison interview with Morgan Webb. Only b/c video ownage >>> transcript ownage. I hope he understood the zeal with which some people want to shred his claim. Here's hoping he's right. PEACE.

 

[mckmas8808]

I have it recorded on a DVD RW. I wish you guys could see it.

 

[jvd]

Yet that video goes against what the developer of the game has said . So who to believe ?

 

[rabidrabbit]

"It's [xbox360] a platform that no other company in this industry can even try to match."

From E3 conference
Link:http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59154

"It is our goal to reach one billion consumers."

From E3 conference
Link:http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59154

Next generation games will provide unprecedented audio and visual experiences to create worlds that are beyond real and they will deliver storylines and gameplay so compelling that it will feel like living a lucid dream.
The result is a state that you achieve a perfect mind-body equilibrium in the digital surroundings that you become completely immersed in the game itself.

From E3 conference
Link:http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59154

Following quotes from http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=55585

Q:How important is wireless networking for the future of the Xbox?

J Allard: It's huge - it's one of the centre points of Xbox. Our long-term vision is that Xbox Live is a gaming world that ultimately projects on multiple devices, right? Today we project on Xbox, obviously. You can also get Xbox Live via the web.

Now what makes this comment BS is that xbox360 has no WiFi adapter built in, it's an accessory to be bought separately.

I just think Halo 2 is going to tip our world upside down. I think nobody will go to work on November 9th, I think there will be fights in stores over the last copies, I think it will be one of the biggest pre-orders in the history of mankind.

I think that Sony charging no money is suicidal, because more and more of the value proposition of the experience and the engagement for the gamer happens online, and so all of the... y'know, if I go and buy an Xbox to only play Project Gotham Racing and I play it for ten years - we made money out of that customer. If you do that on Sony's model, they don't. So, that's a hallucination, I mean, that's just a pathological case today.

The following quotes from http://195.157.98.221/feature.php?aid=9096

They [Sony] are buying the exact same sand as we are. They are! Believe me; I talk to every single person and company in the world that's making silicon. I know exactly what they're doing; they know exactly what we're doing. We're all buying from the same guys, right? I mean, we chose different partners on the graphics front but all three companies have the same partner on the CPU front. We have a price point to hit; they have a price point to hit, right? I mean, it's business. It's business. There's no special silicon that you can go and buy.

We didn't think about them when we thought about our date. We thought about what was right for gaming, what was right for technology, what type would be available and went from there.

Q: How representative did you think they will be of final gameplay?

J Allard: I was looking forward to the games, because the tech demos - you remember the old man from last generation - I didn't buy a game on PlayStation 2 that had that kind of facial geometry. So I've got to move on to the games footage, and I think that's really up to...

Q: Was that not also a tech demo then?

J Allard: That was not tech demo. That was rendered.

Q: But didn't you use the same trick on Gotham 3 the other day?

J Allard: [Bounds up and down in chair, waves arms] We didn't, we didn't... First; I mean there's no trick because it was a combination of in-game footage and rendered footage, just like videogames are. So, I mean we had a combination of both those elements throughout. All the stuff that we did show that was game footage was all running on Alpha kits though, so I think it's coming along really really well.

Remember Namco Girl on PS2 (realtime demo), I remember saying 'I can't wait to get that game'. That game doesn't exist. That game is going to exist; the fidelity of the graphics of Namco Girl for PS2 will first ship on Xbox 360 called Dead Or Alive 4. Dead Or Alive 4 will have that kind of fidelity, but that's years after Namco Girl.

Higher fidelity audio, dadadada. I'm like 'I couldn't tell the difference between vinyl and CD!' It's more convenient, which is nice, and I can play it in my car and I don't have to screw up tapes, but I can't hear the difference, do I need better audio in my life?

We're almost at the point now visually where we're like, in videogames, do we need better visuals than what we saw on Monday night?

http://www.armchairempire.com/Interviews/j-allard-xbox-360.htm

I think they’ve [Sony] mislead people being very specific about certain numbers in the press conference on Monday. We’re launching a product campaign, they’re launching a political campaign. They were clearly responsive to the system that we’ve designed. At the end of the day, our transistor count and their transistor count – about the same. Then you have to dig to the next level. We have a unified memory architecture. We didn’t tell developers how to split it, [Sony] split it. Every one of our developers might split it right down the middle but who knows. In terms of through-put and performance, they talk about 2X the floating point performance. That’s not right. They neglected to mention that we have about 3X integer performance. They further neglected to mention that 80% of games construction mix is integer and 20% is floating point so when you weight it out, we’ve actually tuned it a little bit better. In the end, it’s basically a wash. I look at it and say it’s a wash. You can make the case for us, you can make the case for them. We’ll publish a bunch of details so you guys can all speculate but it’s basically a wash. But I can say there’s will be harder to program for. And we’re going to have better software support.

Q: Will all Xbox games run on Xbox 360?

J.Allard: I will never say that we’re going to run all Xbox 1 games. What I will say is that we’re focused on a software solution. The way we’re tackling the problem is that we’re looking at the most successful, most popular games first then go down the list – so the most popular titles will (probably) run no problem. PS2 is not fully backwards compatible with PS1 – there was a problem where it wouldn’t run Gran Turismo.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23595

I believe I designed a super high-performance system with competitive power that surpasses Sony's.

• Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.
o The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.
• Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance
o The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.
• Memory System Bandwidth
o The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3’s by five times.

When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4

 

[BlueTsunami]

Link:http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59154

Next generation games will provide unprecedented audio and visual experiences to create worlds that are beyond real and they will deliver storylines and gameplay so compelling that it will feel like living a lucid dream.
The result is a state that you achieve a perfect mind-body equilibrium in the digital surroundings that you become completely immersed in the game itself.

Wow...thats just...wow...I mean.....wow...

 

[mckmas8808]

rabidrabbit you should have put that post in the KK comment thread just to off-set the thread. Thats a lot of research you did though.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

Yeah. It's almost scary how much he hates MS.

 

[London Geezer]

Yeah. It's almost scary how much he hates MS.

It's almost scary how much you love them! Cause -NEWSFLASH!!- they really don't love you! They just want your money!

Same for every company and every rabid fanboi around here. You're all as bad as each other, accusing one of being more fanboyish than another is ridiculous.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

I don't love or hate any company. That doesn't mean I don't have strong opinions on technology or marketing strategies. We all have biases. So do you l-boy. It's foolish to suggest otherwise IMO.

 

[AlNom]

the one billion customers thing has already been clarified to mean for the industry as a whole, not for the Xbox360 alone.

 

[rabidrabbit]

It really didn't take much researching, just browsing through the three or so interviews that were made during or shortly after E3 2005, plus that Major Nelson blog

 

[BlueTsunami]

It really didn't take much researching, just browsing through the three or so interviews that were made during or shortly after E3 2005, plus that Major Nelson blog

The Major Nelson Blog is a GOLDMINE of wonderful information....

 

[AlNom]

Fair enough, just wanted to make sure everyone knew it.

 

[Wunderchu]

* Claim: Dr. Richard Marks "(the genius behind EyeToy)" states that the type of interface which was shown in the movie Minority Report is achievable on PS3

The EyeToy PS3 demonstration at the conference showed, among other things, a real use of depth of field. What do you think you could do with that in the future?

Richard: We were just using a regular EyeToy for that demo, and we can already know how far away objects are by how big they are, so we could definitely use that in the future.

Ron: We've already used it in EyeToy: Play 2 with the characters stood on the floating balls.

So do you think it's true Minority Report territory?

Richard: I think we can do what they did in Minority Report, for sure.

Source: http://uk.playstation.com/news/newsStory.jhtml?storyId=106818_en_GB_NEWS&linktype=NSON








BTW, I agree with gurgi, great idea for a thread, Acert93

 

[therealskywolf]

I cant see how some of the quotes that Rabid found are "PR Hype" or anything out of the ordinary.

The 1 billion thing has been publically explained by J Allard, only the Def/Blind ones refuse to listen/see.

Also cant understand how the "They [Sony] are buying the exact same sand as we are...." quote is anything special. Its not like we know the guy is lying. Regarding the Date, sony was supposed to release their console End of 2006/Earlly 07, so if anything it was Sony that pushed back their release date because of the competitor.

Regarding the PGr3 thing, is it me or the guy openlly admited that Pgr3 wasnt running in realtime? He didnt have probs with that unlike the competition. Again, he admits something, how is that relevant to this Thread?

Regarding the integrer performance and such, what? Oh wait we can believe Sony saying how Cell is 2x times faster because it has 2 times the Flops count (Wich is laughable, the Ps2 Cpu has almost as many Flops as Todays pentium 3.2 Ghz.....wow what does that mean? ) but we call PR when the guy talks about the Integrer and how it relates to games?

Regarding the Backwards Compatibility, again the guys doesnt promise every game, the guy is being honest, how is that PR talk

Regarding what he believes about the Xbox 360 against the Ps3, he says that they have competitive power Wich apparently is true, and then he says that he believes that his system is better (The system not the hardware) than the PS3. Uh sorry, whats so "Lol" or "Yeah Right" about it?

I wasnt interesting in debate this type of thing, but your post was full of quotes that have nothing special about it, and it screams "Lol, as if the Xbox 360 could even touch the magnitude of my precious Ps3".

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Every statment can be 'explained'. A lot of KK's statements that people criticise can be 'explained'. It's a case of whether people want to believe the explanations or not.

I think often daft things are said in an interview when unexpected questions come out of the blue, and things that sound smart on paper prior to an interview/announcement when you know what you're talking about can come across completely wrong and you find yourself sounding a fool.

In terms of real 'intellectual worth', I'd say interviews have practically none. 15 minutes of trying to extol the virtues of your hardware while the interviewer asks questions you'd rather not answer, often about your opposition. Remember interviewers might well be after a good story, which means squeezing a rogue statement from the interviewee. Ranked second are public announcements at shows and conferences, where there's more time to plan what you're going to say but they're targetted towards a specific audience and with a specific intention (eg. to excite, to prattle hype, instead of boring facts). Last is official paper statements that go out to everyone eventually. What appears in these a company can take it's time over and make sure their POV is clearly expressed.

 

[gurgi]

mckmas8808, can you fix your link on the first page of this thread? It's stretching things and as the first page is a summary of the entire thread...

 

[BlueTsunami]

I just can't wait till both systems come out so the phycical consoles can be used as weapons, instead of quotes from a a guy (KK) that speaks Engrish and talks alot of smack and J.Allard the guy that wears a hoodie and sits on stage at E3 like hes trying to be a carefree teenager or something