Next Gen Graphic Effects Are Amazing (Xbox 360, PS3)
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You're not exactly spoilt for choice with all those options on any platform presently! 
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This is not even REAL HDR and id settle for this anyday.
http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/32/files2/38224_7.jpg
http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/32/files2/38224_3.jpg
Its amazing what a single light bloom mod can do to a game.
As i said id settle for this.
http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/32/files2/38224_7.jpg
http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/32/files2/38224_3.jpg
Its amazing what a single light bloom mod can do to a game.
As i said id settle for this.
You settle for very little then...
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london-boy said:
Indeed i do, but HL2 looks soo much more real with this mod on. I sugest you try it.
It's just bloom. There's no "lighting" there to speak of.
Thankfully next gen games will not be limited at that.
Thankfully next gen games will not be limited at that.
64 bit floats and a Brghtside TV are the only true HD. Though at almost 1.5 kW peak power draw the future doesn't seem very environmentally friendlynAo said:
Shifty Geezer said:64 bit floats and a Brghtside TV are the only true HD. Though at almost 1.5 kW peak power draw the future doesn't seem very environmentally friendly
That technology is a bit young, give it time and it will get better. Definately one to keep an eye on, together with SED.
PC-Engine said:Gotta agree with scooby here. Sorry Titanio, but your evidence is like "Ooh I think it looks better. I think it has better lighting. I think it has to do with FP16."
I'm saying there might be a link there. I'm asking about that, more than anything else, and no one is providing a credible argument that the precision difference won't have a noticeable impact. Only the opposite from what has been said sofar. I think this could introduce differences, be they manifested in the way I think they might be now or not, in the examples I've given. I'm certainly not the only one that has noticed a difference.
As is, we simply now know that FP10 is the HDR option on X360, FP16 on PS3. That does present a significant difference in available dynamic range. It's the first potential technical explanation of a difference I and others have noticed, so obviously people will start asking questions.
I was not talking about displaying a HDR image, I was talking about storing a HDR image: 16bits fp per component are an overkill, you can have better range and precision using way less bits per pixel.Shifty Geezer said:64 bit floats and a Brghtside TV are the only true HD. Though at almost 1.5 kW peak power draw the future doesn't seem very environmentally friendly
Titanio said:
Well if you're saying the potential difference is there, then you're arguing a strawman point. Sure the numbers may indicate a potential difference, but whether that potential difference is perceptible in games is entirely a different matter. Pointing to games YOU think has better lighting doesn't mean much. Others could point to Xbox360 games with similar lighting too, doesn't mean Xbox360 games are using FP16.
Let's bring up 360 games due out in 2007 for fair comparison :smile:scooby_dooby said:
But what's the point of describing the lighting model already done in the current inferior devkit as the 2007 thing? It's not like R420 and Xenos between which an unexpected gap was found if you believe RSX is just a faster G70.
I was being facetiousnAo said:
Titanio : The difference between FP10 and FP16 should be in aliasing/banding of illumination where the lack of FP10's resolution by comparison causes rounding errors and such. I personally can't see there'll be that much difference between FP10 and FP16 on renderings. The greater range of FP16 seems overkill as you don't need that much brightness difference range when you're displaying to a limited TV, and with diligent art assets can get the same look with a sun that's 4x brighter than a lightbulb, as a sun that's 10,000 times brighter than a lightbulb. The quality difference in final picture between FP10 and FP16 I expect to be far les noticeable than say the difference between a 24 bit photograph and a 64,000 colour photograph. the resources saved in FP10 are much more worthwhile IMO than the likely unnoticeable quality difference.
The most obvious area of difference between the FP10 and FP16 will be with transparancies.
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Whats amazein is if you look at the topic in post1 and a few below it. and topic were on now.
We have gone from graphical effects to
PS3 HDR VS 360 HDR
We have gone from graphical effects to
PS3 HDR VS 360 HDR
While a technical difference remains, it will be up to X360 games to prove it doesn't matter. Some of us do perceive a difference in the general quality of lighting seen thusfar, beit for this reason - wholly, partially - or not at all. We should get better insight on the PC side sooner, perhaps, as I imagine the differences between FP10 and FP16 implementations will become a point of debate there too..(and I'm willing to bet, assuming all else is equal and the performance is there, that FP16 will become the "quality" option).
Shifty Geezer said:
That's a fair opinion, though I've seen others conversely express scepticism over this. Your latter point is probably the key - manipulating your art/data to overcome the limitations, but there may only be so far you can go with certain scenes. As I said earlier, some scenes would look fine with either range, but some things are challenging even for FP16 - thus I would imagine some more things are going to be more challenging for FP10. And there may also be multiformat repurcussions (will devs maintain two sets of art assets/data for example, or will a lead platform dictate that etc.)
Anyway, this is ultimately what it boils down to - the relative limitations of FP16 and FP10 - so any further comment from devs and the like would be useful (and we've already had one or two
).Dave Baumann said:
I was gonna ask about this earlier, but thought I might get shouted down :|
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