That works for all products yet I see plenty of CE products with overall rating of 4 stars and higher. Currently the PS4 has rating of 3.5 stars.
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That works for all products yet I see plenty of CE products with overall rating of 4 stars and higher. Currently the PS4 has rating of 3.5 stars.
Are you connecting straight to the TV or are you running it through a receiver?
It would be helpful to know if they people experiencing issues are using direct connections or are they connecting through receivers. The only video I've seen of a failing HDCP handshake is that Integral one, which I suspect is a direct connection.
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This sounds like the Integral issue as he has to power cycle his TV to complete the handshake.
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Other CE products that have also only been out a couple of days, i.e. have had little time for people to post positive reviews if so inclined?
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Consoles are different. People have been queuing up for this product for months. They've possibly been anticipating it for a year or more. The disappointment will be far greater than if one went looking for a new TV or BRD player or microwave, popped into a shop or ordered online, and found it was incomplete. Then you'd just shrug and get a replacement, usually. No-one getting a PS4 now hasn't been waiting a few months for it, which means, after finally arriving, there'll be a lot more emotion to the experience than any normal shop.
It has nothing to do with being out a couple of days. The relevant metric is number of units people have encountered with problems. A specific model TV don't sell thousands of units in couple days on Amazon. It usually takes many months to get to thousands of units therefore the overall review score need the same amount of time to "mature". There's already thousands of PS4s out there for people to post positive 4/5 star reviews.
Sure but that does not mean the reviews become irrelevant. If I had planned on getting a PS4 in the next couple of weeks I would definitely wait to see what is causing all of these issues. Lucky for me I don't plan on getting one until late next year. Pretty sure many people are going to be doing the same thing and wait instead of risking getting a faulty unit.
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Sure it does unless everybody posts their reviews of products within days of receiving them or do you expect the 2:1 (approx) good:bad review ration to remain the same in 3 months time?
Plenty of reviews kick off with "I've had X for a few weeks". People are more likely to give immediate negative feedback about a broken product than positive - especially if they are having fun using it. And for something like a game console, there's probably a much greater chance that their positive views won't even get posted to Amazon but a pure gaming site.
I've been reviewing on Amazon for years. You give random reviewers too much credit. Do you actually believe most positive reviews will somehow require having used the product for awhile? You are equally going to get 4/5 star reviews with one or two lines saying "It's cool, I love it, highly recommended!!" as the short negative reviews from faulty units. It doesn't take months of ownership to write those types of positive reviews nor does it take effort and careful planning and time. In fact I've often written very short reviews the same day of receiving the product and using it for a few minutes. Busy having fun on the console is not an excuse of why the current rating is 3.5 stars but I understand why some folks always bring up that point.
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I don't give anybody I don't know any credit at all but I do go by experience and my experience tells me that, all things being equal, people will more likely give complaint than praise and based on the number of actual reviews, either the vast majority of Amazon users never (or rarely) review or Amazon really don't sell much. I know which I'm inclined to believe given I think Amazon shipped more than a few thousand PS4s.
I.e. I think this is a case of the vocal minority.
I would hope they would investigate any issues raised, especially at the launch of a new product. Out of the labs and in the wild is when all the issues are going to show. As for creating a fake story to try and shift the blame... that's never going to wash. Sony would be open to all kinds of legal challenges by Foxconn et al. And besides with the expectation that has been built up in preparation for getting a PS4 the individual is never going to focus their blame on any other entity other than Sony - no matter how many intercedent stories hit the press.
Though it is true that, statistically speaking, people are far more likely to report bad experiences than they are good ones. It's in our psychology to do so, survival trait and all that. Report bad things to protect lives, keep the good things to ourselves.
I really think people are reading way too much into the Amazon negative reviews.
It's okay for a reference to indicate that there may be a problem, but saying 400 negative amazon reviews (with about half verified I believe?) is gloom and doom is going too far.
What's important is that Sony finds a way to fix it for them or something.
As we all know.
1% of 1 million units is 10,000 vocal customers out there screaming for a solution (rightly so), and you can bet many of those 10,000 will leave their complaints in as many places as possible (also rightly so), but in the end that will skew everybody's perspective on the perceived ratio of faulty units (sadly).
It's okay for a reference to indicate that there may be a problem, but saying 400 negative amazon reviews (with about half verified I believe?) is gloom and doom is going too far.
What's important is that Sony finds a way to fix it for them or something.
As we all know.
1% of 1 million units is 10,000 vocal customers out there screaming for a solution (rightly so), and you can bet many of those 10,000 will leave their complaints in as many places as possible (also rightly so), but in the end that will skew everybody's perspective on the perceived ratio of faulty units (sadly).
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Let's wait for Xbone to launch and compare to see if the situation is as dire as it's been painted to be 
Although the NA launch numbers will likely be less, so the absolute number of complainers will probably be fewer. Unless of course their hardware has more issues.
Although the NA launch numbers will likely be less, so the absolute number of complainers will probably be fewer. Unless of course their hardware has more issues.
Let's wait for Xbone to launch and compare to see if the situation is as dire as it's been painted to be
Wait just a damn second. No one is saying the situation is dire. Matter of fact no one in this thread is saying or trying to implicate the size of the issue except for those trying to defend it as if it doesn't exist.
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RudeCurve brought up the amazon review situation and then goes onto say that most CE have 4+ stars. I can see how some would interpret his posts as suggesting there's some sort of HW issues with the PS4, which is why some of us are trying to downplay the situation.
But I think that was only in relations to people already trying to downplay the situation as being nonexistent.
All in all, I personally think it doesn't amount to anything, just the typical new device glitches that will be resolved in due time. So I don't see why people are trying to trivialize it or hype it up. People should accept it exists, is normal, and move on.
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Of course there are people sizing up the issue. What else have we been discussing the last 3 pages? Let's make it clearer for the rest of the thread and we can pick from one of the following:
1) Serious
2) Problematic
3) Troubling
4) Concerning
5) Notable
6) Worrisome
7) Bothersome
8) Normal
9) Minor
10) Irrelevant
I think we should split it all off into an catch all console hardware issue thread. The comparisons will be inevitable.
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I don't see any evidence of anybody 'defending it as though it didn't exist'? There are obviously PS4 hardware failures; consoles arriving DOA or failing in the first few days, but for it to be an 'issue' as opposed to an accepted small percentage of failure expected for a launch like this, their aren't numbers yet to support this. Of course many PS4s may be sat unused, perhaps a Christmas present in waiting.
However over a million consoles sold means a mere 1% is 10,000 bricks and nobody is reporting anywhere near this number. It's simply too early to say there if an endemic problem.
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