News & Rumours: Playstation 4/ Orbis *spin*

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Looks like TotalBiscuit on Youtube (one of the largest game streamers) has a bricked PS4 as well.

Although his involves the optical drive no longer allowing disks to be inserted.

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SB

I don't think that qualifies as a brick then.
A brick would be your Xbox360 RRoD-ing, and not being able to do anything from that point.
A PS4 without a functional optical drive could potentially still play every single game in existence, and use every feature, aside from BD-viewing, obviously :rolleyes: :p
 
Because they are probably sampling a portion of their production runs to check failure rates. I wouldn't think that a giant corporation like Sony would launch a product into a billion dollar market without checks in place to determine issues like reliability before launching their said product into the wild.

Their competitor did it, so it's not that uncommon.
 
vgc forums tried to get the pulse of their own community.
(61) VGC members with a PS4 and (2) casualties.
VGC members PS4 failure rate = 3.28%
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(40) PS4 consoles for VGC member family & friend with (1) casualties.
VCG Friend & Family failure rate = 2.5%
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(101) total PS4 reported on VGC with (3) casualties.
Total failure rate = 2.97%
Not very scientific but they are making an honest attempt.
 
Given that the PS4 UI is web-based and PSN tracks the user id, the Playstation Blog should allow us to create polls right in the UI.
 
Sample wouldn't be large enough to mean anything, I suggest against it.
It would be enough to gauge large failure rates. eg. If one goes by the Amazon reviews, 2:1 good to bad, that suggests a third of PS4's failing. A poll of ten respondents would definitely be large enough to catch that percentage, as 2, 3 or 4 people should have a dead PS4. If the failure rate is 5%, you'd need a larger sample base. The VGCharts forum is probably fairly indicative as it won't be self selecting, unlike Amazon reviews. I can well believe 3% failure rate could result in a 2:1 good:bad review rate on Amazon given the psychology of the product and reviews. A poll, any poll, that asks all users for results, would be a zillion times better than trying to guess the situation from Amazon reviews! ;)
 
It would be enough to gauge large failure rates. eg. If one goes by the Amazon reviews, 2:1 good to bad, that suggests a third of PS4's failing. A poll of ten respondents would definitely be large enough to catch that percentage, as 2, 3 or 4 people should have a dead PS4. If the failure rate is 5%, you'd need a larger sample base. The VGCharts forum is probably fairly indicative as it won't be self selecting, unlike Amazon reviews. I can well believe 3% failure rate could result in a 2:1 good:bad review rate on Amazon given the psychology of the product and reviews. A poll, any poll, that asks all users for results, would be a zillion times better than trying to guess the situation from Amazon reviews! ;)

You would probably need a lot more than 10 even if the failure rates was 20-30%. Unless you wouldn't mind appending a rather large margin of error to your results.
 
Given that the PS4 UI is web-based and PSN tracks the user id, the Playstation Blog should allow us to create polls right in the UI.

Wait a sec, they track all your usage and no one has been outraged about it yet?
 
Wait a sec, they track all your usage and no one has been outraged about it yet?
Good gravy, not you as well?! Does every internet connected device track everything about you? Yes. That's a given. Could Sony spy on you with their camera? Yes. And the microphone voice recognition? Fer shure. Do you have to have the camera connected and watching and listening and the console connected to the internet to play any game? No. That was the (rather ridiculous) complaints levied against the competition - that there was no defence against the data mining. With these aspects being optional on PS4 (and now XB1, at least regards internet connectivity), people aren't outraged by them, and they'll quietly use the features without giving them a second thought and let the data miners and US government merrily observe their game-playing, safe in the subconscious-and-never-acted-upon knowledge that at any time they can disconnect from the internet and still play their games.

As long as data mining and Big Brother are opt in, people don't really care so long as it doesn't get in the way of their day-to-day activities.
 
There are different level of tracking. PSN id is useful because Sony know whether the user is legit, for polling purposes. ^_^
 
Wait a sec, they track all your usage and no one has been outraged about it yet?
No, to be outraged they would have to be forum warriors with an axe to grind, or people from the other camp looking for attention. There's no such posters on B3D.
 
I'm not really sure how Sony got the 0.4% number, because they put it out there before launch day. That said, there's no way to guess what the actual number is. I'm sure the only way to know will be when we see a financial statement or an investors call. Wouldn't expect the number to be out of line with any other consumer electronics product.

There were already thousands of PS4s in user hands through the Taco Bell promotion when they disclosed that figure. I assume the failure rate was based on reported failures from them, plus the press and employee units.
 
Good gravy, not you as well?! Does every internet connected device track everything about you? Yes. That's a given.

I don't think it's an issue at all. I'm not surprised at the tracking, but I'm surprised there hasn't been any faux outrage about it like there was earlier this summer.

I probably should have clarified that earlier, but was on the tablet and quite dislike typing on non-physical keyboards.
 
I don't think it's an issue at all. I'm not surprised at the tracking, but I'm surprised there hasn't been any faux outrage about it like there was earlier this summer.

I probably should have clarified that earlier, but was on the tablet and quite dislike typing on non-physical keyboards.

There was nothing false about the concerns that people had based upon the information they were given. It's not their fault that the information was so poorly presented it sounded anti-consumer\anti-everything.
 
Different form of tracking. Kazunori mentioned that they track navigation data to help understand how users navigate and play GT5. Other than the performance penalty which everyone complained, there was no privacy concerned since PD don't sell these user data to advertisers.

Sony haven't displayed 3rd party advertisements in XMB or PS4 UI so far. The tracking I mentioned is for managing polls. If you're afraid of getting tracked, just don't vote. ^_^
 
I don't think it's an issue at all. I'm not surprised at the tracking, but I'm surprised there hasn't been any faux outrage...
It wasn't faux outrage. It was genuine, if misplaced. "My god, this camera can be spying on me and there's nothing I can do to stop it if I want to play games!" Which was true. Change that to, "Well, they may want to spy on me, but I'll just disconnect from the internet. Ha!" and few would have been up in arms. The people who were outraged were making probably a very big deal out of a very small issue in real terms, but it was fundamentally different to other devices where there wasn't any option to disconnect from the US government's spy network. That's why we don't see the same arm waving panic when we hear of other machines and services providing targeted ads and the like, because everyone has the choice to circumvent them, moving the power back to the consumer (not that they'll exercise it).

Did not PS3 and XB360 had data mining policies yet no-one gave a damn for that very reason?
 
This is off-topic for this thread so I'll be brief, but I wouldn't say outrage was misplaced per se. We were being lied to by MS straight to our faces ("kinect is integral to xbone and cannot be disconnected or the system won't function!"); people tend to take a dim view of such antics regardless of wether it's to be expected to be spied upon by internet-connected devicii or not.
 
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