So is there high chance to blame the tv about this issue?
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So is there high chance to blame the tv about this issue?
Now before people just passively write it off as noise, the few pages of negative reviews I've looked through are all from "Verified Purchasers" so they actually bought the unit.
Sure you can blame the TV, but then Sony just made a product which likely wont be usable on a wide majority of typical tvs. Do you think Sony only want their PS4s usable on audiophile/videophile high-end equipment? Also, the TV owner did not say he has that issue with other consumer devices like the other bluray players or other existing consoles.
Look to what loekf said. Sony is using a HDMI chipset that is known to have HDMI-handshaking issues. Separately the TV/AVR/Other-Devices and PS4 HDMi-chipset exactly match the HDMI specs. However combined there could be and typically will be trouble.
This mirrors what I saw early on with new HDMI AVRs, BluRay Players and TVs. It took a couple months and several firmware updates to correct the issue in my experience. Back then in order to get by, I had to setup to use Component Video to not be plagued by the issue.
It's also a very crappy TV with very cheap parts all over, but yes they are everywhere because they're the BestBuy "brand" TV. I buy them for my office conference rooms and I hate them but I'm the only one who uses them that even notices image quality, thus the owners are fine with buying the cheapest available from local stores.
HDCP handshake problems on such a popular TV is a bad sign of issues. I've had handshake problems with my HTPCs before, usually solved with a HDMI detective but I wouldn't expect that from a PS4 unit. I'm hoping that would be something fixable in software/firmware otherwise they've got a potentially big problem until the next iteration.
Articles which add percentages like that on review stats really irritate me. Why mention 33% of reviews are about BLoD when obviously the initial reviews on a brand new product like this will be the negative ones from people immediately affected? It's not as though new PS4 owners en-masse will be posting a review on Amazon within 24 hours of getting it on how amazing it is.
I believe he means Sony must have their own HDMI chips from their own TVs, why use a Panasonic one instead. Unless Sony uses Panasonic for their own TV's as well. No idea.
Over what time period? We need faulty 'product on receipt' measures for comparison, rather than 'failed within 1 year' or whatever. XB360's worked en masse out of the box, and only failed after use.
I believe a few percent is typical for failures within a year. I've no idea what failure before use averages are. 1% of a brand new product not working strikes me as high. QA should be filtering out those faults.
Yes right, I meant that. Thanks.
Aren't Sony and Panny in a joint TV venture? Perhaps Panny provide all the HDMI controllers for both of them.
I think at one point possible Sony, Panasonic, and Pioneer were all in a joint TV venture.
Anyways, here's the nitty-gritty from the iFixit teardown:
[Panasonic MN86471A HDMI Communication LSI] (Details)
Silent_Buddha
Legend
You could have said the exact same thing about the X360 RROD issue. Except it took a few months before that started to gain a large amount of negative reviews at online buying sites.
It could be a sign of a major issue with the console or it may not be. And if it's due to disgruntled workers as the article said then it's always possible that Sony/Foxconn will resolve the issue before it becomes an endemic problem.
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SB
Well... I wouldn't trust amazon "verified purchaser" user reviews blindly either. There are known fake reviews there because of the traffic they enjoy. You can buy reviews these days:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/suwcharmananderson/2012/08/28/fake-reviews-amazons-rotten-core/
For user reviews, it's better to trust people you "know".
I'd imagine someone have contacted Sony to talk about the problem ?
Well my experience was with HDMI 1.0/1.1 items, can't really recall because it was back early on in 2006 and not many mentioned clearly what level they supported. And the issue isn't really with Panasonic TVs as it is anyone using their HDMI chipset.
The Panasonic HDMI Chipset used in the PS4 is one which is HDMI 1.4b compliant, which the spec wasn't released until October 2011.
The Panasonic HDMI Chipset used in the PS4 is one which is HDMI 1.4b compliant, which the spec wasn't released until October 2011.
Inuhanyou
Veteran
Now that we know PS4 has sold over a million units to consumers, does this put the amount of faulty units in perspective? Shu said it was 0.4...so even with 4 thousand angry people shitting up the internet all at once, its still less than 1 percent..am i getting this correctly?
Oh, completely agree but when I see over 27 pages of them then I think there just might be a genuine and real issue. To be immediately dismissive about them is just burying your head in the sand and being a blind loyalist.
Remember, this works the same way for positive reviews too. I ignore the positive and negative reviews by those who are not "verified purchaser" because they could be shills on both sides.
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