0.13 micron Mobility Radeon 9700 info
Hopely, XGPU2 core hits 700 Mhz when migrating to 90 nm???
Hopely, XGPU2 core hits 700 Mhz when migrating to 90 nm???
also will let them design a compact xbox 2 .DeathKnight said:Or simply just a cooler (temperature wise) design. Lower temps will put less strain on the hardware, which will help the components last longer.
Deadmeat said:Hopely, XGPU2 core hits 700 Mhz when migrating to 90 nm???
Guden Oden said:Deadmeat said:Hopely, XGPU2 core hits 700 Mhz when migrating to 90 nm???
I thought you said in another thread .09 tech only made the chip smaller, not cooler or faster? Or does that only apply to Sony's chips?
Guden Oden said:Deadmeat said:Hopely, XGPU2 core hits 700 Mhz when migrating to 90 nm???
I thought you said in another thread .09 tech only made the chip smaller, not cooler or faster? Or does that only apply to Sony's chips?
[url=http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/2003/11-06_english.php said:ATI's Eric Demers[/url]]In general, with shrinking processes (150nm, 130nm and now 90nm), active power has gone down per transistor (smaller transistors and voltage lead to less power outputted when switching), but our transistor counts have increased at a larger rate, so that the active power has kept on going up. But with 130nm and even more with 90nm, static power is getting higher and higher. In a normal CMOS process, one can think that if a transistor is not switching, it's not using power. That's roughly right, but there is something called "leakage", which is a small current that leaks out of a transistor, even when not switching. As dimensions have shrunk, leakage currents have gone up by about an order of magnitude each time. This is leading to the problem that non-switching power is getting bigger and bigger. With 90nm, it's going to more than ½ the total power. This power is directly proportional to the number of active transistors, or plain die size. Consequently, as we shrink down, active power sort of goes down, but passive power goes up. With 90nm, power consumption is going to be a "Big Deal", even when the chip isn't doing anything.
Having said all that, even the high-end desktop parts cannot keep on increasing their power consumption indefinitely.
There is nothing 'bastardized' about it. The core was architected to suit the requirements of both markets from day one.Vince said:nevermind that he's quoting the thermal output of a bastardized IC for the portable marketplace
Dio said:There is nothing 'bastardized' about it. The core was architected to suit the requirements of both markets from day one.Vince said:nevermind that he's quoting the thermal output of a bastardized IC for the portable marketplace
Dio said:I'm slightly confused. You said 'a bastardised IC'. The IC in question was designed for the market that it hit; it is the best performing chip with the best image quality in its market; how does this fit in with your definition?
Deadmeat said:New Radeon core clocking at 450 Mhz and burning 11 watts... Hopely, XGPU2 core hits 700 Mhz when migrating to 90 nm???
I would suggest that saying "Sorry, I didn't mean to say that Mobilitiy 9700 was bastardised, I meant to say that it's not relevant to his argument" would be perfectly acceptable.Why must I explain stuff like this?
I obviously can't talk about future ATI technology, so I don't. I do make statements about current ATI technology when people make misstatements about them. I think most other people on this board will be aware of this.This clearly stems from where you work and is akin to nothing more than PR spin which must allways put something in the most positive light, just because.
Deadmeat said:0.13 micron Mobility Radeon 9700 info
Hopely, XGPU2 core hits 700 Mhz when migrating to 90 nm???
It's a stronger argument for the term, but still wrong. The original statement was that it was "a bastardised IC for the portable marketplace" - which it was not, as that particular chip was designed for both portable and desktop marketplaces. It is what it was intended to be from day one (day one of the design of the R300 family, too - they were not really designed sequentially) - so it cannot be 'lowered in quality or debased' because it would have to be lowered from somewhere.Guden Oden said:I don't see why you object to calling the 9700 mobile "bastardized", when clearly it is a cut-down version. It's missing half the pixel pipes, half the vertex shaders I believe and the hyper-Z functionality too.
Not really. I was just attempting to stop him applying his spin - which may be to counter someone else's spin, but I have no comment on the other person's spin because he stated only correct facts about current products and his spin was to extrapolate to future products. The spin I objected to was based on a distortion of the facts which I was asking him to withdraw. I agree that it's a largely pointless argument, I'd just prefer people to get their facts straight.Do you have any actual arguments beyond the phrasing of Vince's post? Because unless you do, why keep replying unless it's just for the sake of arguing?
Dio said:Not really. I was just attempting to stop him applying his spin - which may be to counter someone else's spin, but I have no comment on the other person's spin because he stated only correct facts about current products and his spin was to extrapolate to future products. The spin I objected to was based on a distortion of the facts which I was asking him to withdraw. I agree that it's a largely pointless argument, I'd just prefer people to get their facts straight.