I was waiting for that sig to surface 
MS says Sony has no strategy for on-line
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MS is just pist cuz you can't hit what you can't see....
Even J Alard admited that been first meen that you don't know what the other company is going to do,and that Sony was doing a great job of keeping every one quiet.
Every time they have a chance or are confronted on something that Sony is doing better then they are,they hide on Live and star asking why sony hasn't say anything.
They are desperate to know what sony will do,and is pathetic cuz the don't know they should shut up already about online play,look what happen already to them with the flop sh** and the HD era crap when the xbox 360 doesn't even have HDMI and the PS3 suport a higher resolution than their console do...
They are talking like if 90% of the xbox user base played online,when in real life 2 millions out of 23 million play online on xbox,is not the be all end all yet,they should not put all their eggs in one basket.
If Sony by any chance comes with a live like service free,MS will realy be in trouble.
Even J Alard admited that been first meen that you don't know what the other company is going to do,and that Sony was doing a great job of keeping every one quiet.
Every time they have a chance or are confronted on something that Sony is doing better then they are,they hide on Live and star asking why sony hasn't say anything.
They are desperate to know what sony will do,and is pathetic cuz the don't know they should shut up already about online play,look what happen already to them with the flop sh** and the HD era crap when the xbox 360 doesn't even have HDMI and the PS3 suport a higher resolution than their console do...
They are talking like if 90% of the xbox user base played online,when in real life 2 millions out of 23 million play online on xbox,is not the be all end all yet,they should not put all their eggs in one basket.
If Sony by any chance comes with a live like service free,MS will realy be in trouble.
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I know it's just a post in a forum, but could you please proofread your post before you submit it? And spell out words instead of using their shortened form--if you don't want to waste the time writing something, why should I spend the time reading it?Thegameman said:
But that's fairly accurate, I think, based on everything we know. I actually thought you meant the silly "beat Sony in Japan" comment. The problem Sony has is that the PS2's online strategy was non-existent as well, Sony doesn't have a lot of credibility when it comes to software services (for example, their Connect service).RavenFox said:
It would be similar to Microsoft's first Xbox and Sony suggesting that Microsoft didn't have a profitability plan with regards to their hardware.
Sis said:
I see you have nothing better to attack my points,than finding gramatical errors on it,is nice cuz it meen it was good.
It looks like you failed to digest his comments. I shall paraphrase: it was so poorly written I won't bother digesting it. I would take the comment to heart.
Right now, it does not exist. They've made no public announcements about it, there are no details, and I think many people would not be surprised if they came back with a model similar to the PS2 (or more likely something similar to version 1 of Xbox Live).Titanio said:
Then again, if we want to be pedantic about his wording, we would say that Ballmer is wrong, Sony does indeed have an online strategy, since the PS2 supported online gaming.
winstonsmith1978
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Sis said:
I think Microsofts mistake with Live is that they fail to realize that they could potentially make a lot more money by offering a free service (and get more people online, including casual gamers.) and taking a small percentage of every download, microtransaction and tournament.
Sony and Nintendo may see this. I compare it to Magic Online, if you've ever played this game online, then you'll realize how great of a system they have. You give them real money and convert it into tickets(similar to xbox points or whatever their called) but then, when you enter a tournament, it costs a certain amount of tickets. MO keeps a small amount of the real money a filters the rest back into the system as prizes or remaining tickets for the winners of the the tournament.
Casual gamers don't want to pay for Comcast and games and systems and then have to pay Microsoft more for going online. Microsoft could potentially get a lot more people online and still make lots of money with a free system.
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mckmas8808
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We have seen version 1 from Sony. I played it with Socom 2. Version 2 is what needs to be better. Just because something was executed bad doesn't mean it didn't exist.
Here's my personal take: The interview is for gamesindustry.biz which means that the target audience are the developers (MS's XNA customers) ?
When he agrees to go on an Interview like that, I assume he has an agenda to push or a clear message to send. But after reading through the Interview, I'm worried that they are in denial and they have already played out all their cards (This is just a quick impression).
That's not right (and may not be true). I am basing this conclusion on incomplete information and just 1 Interview, but don't you think MS should time the release if Sony is indeed in trouble and they want to rub salt on wound ?
Now back to the Interview, I ran through a list of checklists but didn't came up with anything concrete. Perhaps you could chip in:
(i) Launch numbers. 4.5 - 5.5 mil shipment target by June but people in the industry already knows how "phenomenal" Xbox360 sold in Japan. Was the 3 mil target by end 2005 reached ? Has the manufacturing problem(s) gone away ? He could have stressed numbers in other regions more... and come clean that they are working on Japan to improve the situation (regardless of how well/bad PS3 will do in Japan) ? A better choice of words from his PR team would be helpful here ?
(ii) The part about Sony's unknowns (pricepoint, power, launch games, date) is fine, but should just be a quick bullet point to dismiss/delay (politely but undeniably) any good feeling people have for Sony since none of them are official. Instead he used up so many words. His interview is giving so much "air-time" to PS3.
(iii) Can Microsoft talk about Xbox without worrying so much about PS3 ? Talk about good stuff on Xbox. Xbox LIVE is still a good start. Ironically most of the time they talk about XBL, it's just a bullet point but as an outsider, I never quite get what the big deal is. Perhaps some indications from their "research companies" that stress more people are interested in online now ? or the longer hours people are playing compared to last gen ? How much happier are the fans on XBL because of new XBL features to show XBL adoption progress ?
(iv) [I'm not sure about XNA] Does it help developers create innovative games for consumers ? Future release to make it easy to tap Xenos' power ? Any examples ?
(v) Any other growth strategies ? or any other higher level strategies since MS is a big company. Peter Moore has been promoted to be in charge of MS's media division. Any fuzzy directions without giving too much ? After all Sony said they are going to tap on their content arms. What's MS's collective strength to fuel their living room effort (without getting into legal problems) ? I always felt that MS rely too much on their 42B cash (probably larger now) when they execute.
When he agrees to go on an Interview like that, I assume he has an agenda to push or a clear message to send. But after reading through the Interview, I'm worried that they are in denial and they have already played out all their cards (This is just a quick impression).
That's not right (and may not be true). I am basing this conclusion on incomplete information and just 1 Interview, but don't you think MS should time the release if Sony is indeed in trouble and they want to rub salt on wound ?
Now back to the Interview, I ran through a list of checklists but didn't came up with anything concrete. Perhaps you could chip in:
(i) Launch numbers. 4.5 - 5.5 mil shipment target by June but people in the industry already knows how "phenomenal" Xbox360 sold in Japan. Was the 3 mil target by end 2005 reached ? Has the manufacturing problem(s) gone away ? He could have stressed numbers in other regions more... and come clean that they are working on Japan to improve the situation (regardless of how well/bad PS3 will do in Japan) ? A better choice of words from his PR team would be helpful here ?
(ii) The part about Sony's unknowns (pricepoint, power, launch games, date) is fine, but should just be a quick bullet point to dismiss/delay (politely but undeniably) any good feeling people have for Sony since none of them are official. Instead he used up so many words. His interview is giving so much "air-time" to PS3.
(iii) Can Microsoft talk about Xbox without worrying so much about PS3 ? Talk about good stuff on Xbox. Xbox LIVE is still a good start. Ironically most of the time they talk about XBL, it's just a bullet point but as an outsider, I never quite get what the big deal is. Perhaps some indications from their "research companies" that stress more people are interested in online now ? or the longer hours people are playing compared to last gen ? How much happier are the fans on XBL because of new XBL features to show XBL adoption progress ?
(iv) [I'm not sure about XNA] Does it help developers create innovative games for consumers ? Future release to make it easy to tap Xenos' power ? Any examples ?
(v) Any other growth strategies ? or any other higher level strategies since MS is a big company. Peter Moore has been promoted to be in charge of MS's media division. Any fuzzy directions without giving too much ? After all Sony said they are going to tap on their content arms. What's MS's collective strength to fuel their living room effort (without getting into legal problems) ? I always felt that MS rely too much on their 42B cash (probably larger now) when they execute.
No, and that was my earlier point. Having an online strategy does not mean adding a network interface controller to the hardware and telling devs "have fun"--at least, not in this context. We are actually discussing the online ecosystem, which the PS2 did not have.mckmas8808 said:
