more info about XBox 360 and Revolution unveiling

[Qroach]

You think that incredibly vague comment contradicts what I posted?

Yes... and btw where did your statement come from? don't bitch at me for not presenting a link to an article (i just found on the first page of this thread). specifically when you post quotes without links yourself. I was going from memory on that one reggie quote anyway. he really said:

Reggie Fils-Aime already said, "This year's E3 is not Revolution's coming out party" back in March.

What I posted was clear cut, Nintendo will tell us more about Revolutions specs at E3. What you've quoted could mean a few things. He's most likely refering to a full unvieling of the system, with playable games to show off the new control system. Give me a link to that whole comment so we can put it into context and see if it becomes less vague.

yeah right whatever quote you discuss means something completly different to another person. Or any btw, Revoloution will NOT be at E3 still stands. I never said I was talking about anything more then the hardware.

 

[Ty]

The hype and press wouldn't trickle down to the average gamer anyway. The average gamer just sees commercials and print ads then goes out to a department store and buys whatever they like. The average gamer doesn't read gaming mags, gaming shows, or shop at gaming shops.

We disagree on what the 'average gamer' is. Over the years, the 'average gamer' HAS significantly moved towards the 'average person' but I'm not sure it's moved that much. I.e. my definition of the 'average gamer' IS the one who goes to EB or reads a mag or website.

 

[Kolgar]

Kolgar

The image problem you describe is more about cartoon styled Nintendo games then any game with a Nintendo logo on the box.

Sorry, Teasy, but I disagree.

Let me give you an example. It's not spot on, but it's close enough.

Years ago, you had IBM (which in consumers' minds, meant "computers") and Xerox (which was synonymous with "copiers") making bids for each others markets. IBM wanted into copiers, Xerox wanted into PCs.

Guess what? Both failed. Why?

Part of it is the psychology of the thing. People knew IBM as the computer company, and Xerox as the copier company. Why buy a PC from a copier company when you could get one from the computer experts?

You may disagree with me, but I say "Nintendo" today means Mario and Zelda and family friendly (again, I'll resist using the word "kiddy") entertainment. That Nintendo logo is a badge of dishonor to people who want more "grown-up" fare. They just don't take it seriously.

 

[Acert93]

you comment how the little info about backwards compatibility and wireless controllers is mroe infor then you know about Xbox 2 and PS3, right?

Obvious communicationn issues here.

Wireless connectivity between consoles; Iwata at GDC was discussing connectivity between consoles, not controllers. Between quoting unnamed fan-bois on forums and over reading press clips and this it really seems you just want to argue. Yes, we understand you are totally ready for the X2 launch, but not everyone in the industry is on your same schedule.

Also, as I said, Nintendo *officially* has released more info about their console than MS or Sony. Not a device point, just a fact. Remember, this is a Marathon. Trickling information in a steady stream can have as many benefits as a full blown extravaganza. Also, I have not seen a single peice of in game footage of a game running on finalized HW. If so, please link.

if you go on arguing the same point about this being a tachnical move to prevent canabalizing the almost non-exsistent gamecube lineup sales

GCN sales are not almost non-existant.

As for backwards compatibility, it does not prevent you from cannibolizing sales. If you are looking at screen shots of GCN 2005 Mario and Zelda and Revolution 2006 Mario and Zelda that totally blow away the GCN which will you buy? You would be making your own stuff look out dated and old. A few screen shots may not hurt, but letting people get a good long taste of the next gen titles that wont be available for 18mo would leave a bad taste. I know when I see/play new games I tend to like the games that are cleaner, more colorful, and higher resolution.

Backwards compatibility is a selling point to current customers to stay on board. It is a perk. But it alone cannot prevent the effects of over-hyping a product that wont be available for 18 long months.

 

[Teasy]

I didn't bitch at you Quincy, your imagining things. I just asked for a link since the comment is extremely vague. The comment I posted was already within context (it showed the question and the answer). So posting the link wouldn't add much.

yeah right whatever quote you discuss means something completly different to another person. Or any btw, Revoloution will NOT be at E3 still stands. I never said I was talking about anything more then the hardware.

So then why are you trying to defend your own comment by arguing that no software from Revolution will be at E3?

 

[Teasy]

Kolgar

I do disagree with you yes. I think while there is some truth to what your saying its very exagerated. But whatever, we'll see

 

[Qroach]

Wireless connectivity between consoles; Iwata at GDC was discussing connectivity between consoles, not controllers.

never heard about nintendos' discussion on that at GDC, i gues that really show's how nintendo is keeping developers in the loop, eh . I was too busy to keep up on everything from GDC, but most of the people i spoke to that went, thought it was a waste of time this year.

Between quoting unnamed fan-bois on forums and over reading press clips and this it really seems you just want to argue. Yes, we understand you are totally ready for the X2 launch, but not everyone in the industry is on your same schedule.

If there's anyone here that wants to argue it's mainly you with a little help from teasy. I "never" quoted anyone (or a fanoi) from the forum, did I? i simply posted my opinion and then you wanted to pick it apart. I posted an opinion based on a article (with a link provided 2 pages back) if you have a problem with that, then I suggest you take it up with someone else. What does being ready for something have to do with this? I've noticed a trend from you lately. If I don't agree with somethign you take the "yes well xbox this, and xbox that approach". can't you have an discussion without desending into that?

Also, as I said, Nintendo *officially* has released more info about their console than MS or Sony. Not a device point, just a fact. Remember, this is a Marathon. Trickling information in a steady stream can have as many benefits as a full blown extravaganza. Also, I have not seen a single peice of in game footage of a game running on finalized HW. If so, please link.

My god, now you're taking thisn far too literal.

GCN sales are not almost non-existant.

really? that's news to anyone that has seen NPD info lately. I suggest you take a gander at the sales. you'll notice compared to PS2 gamecube is non estistent. Even compared to xbox it's selling at a 50% pace in north america. Dang you could sayXbox sales are non exsistent too, although it has far more software coming out for it.

As for backwards compatibility, it does not prevent you from cannibolizing sales. If you are looking at screen shots of GCN 2005 Mario and Zelda and Revolution 2006 Mario and Zelda that totally blow away the GCN which will you buy?

If they are two didfferent games, why would i not buy both?





Teasy

Here we go again Quincy's on the attack, didn't take long.

Right, I'm on the attack . teasy, just follow your own advice ok? is that too much to ask?

So then why are you trying to defend your own comment by arguing that no software from Revolution will be at E3? I really thought you'd grown out of this pedantic waffle.

wow, you can certianly imagine things can't you? I'm NOT using that argument to defend my comment. It's a seperate point that nintendo didn't clearly say "revoloution games will be shown at E3", or is that too much understand?

 

[StefanS]

Let's summarize:

A) Nintendo is the last to arrive at next-gen (yet again), if N64 GCN are any indication they'll be the first to wrap up again. (See lack of games on GCN now)
B) Their market share will again diminish
C) Even Nintendo fans get fed up (I did at least with the GCN)

 

[jvd]

Locked because its quickly spiraling down wards into a bash nintendo thread .

Which is really has been for the last 2 pages