more info about XBox 360 and Revolution unveiling

[Qroach]

Acert93,

Basically Revolution will be officially announced (as promised last year).

I didn't get that form what he was saying.

They will also be showing off some footage.

some footage of games in development. He didn't say revoloution games, did he?

I think that is a far scream from, "As it is currently revoloution will NOT be atE3". I am not aware of Nintendo ever promising playable units on the floor--ever. (Who CARES what the "Nintendo leet fanboys" you so casually reference think... that is like me quoting an Xbox as some kind of evidence for anything ) Nintendo will be showing game footage, will discuss Rev (just as they did at GDC), and will most likely be showing stuff behind closed doors to developers/publishers.

Ok for one, My saying revoloution will not be at E3 still stands as an accurate statement. Second, nintendo themselves said that revoloution they woul like to show Rev at E3 this year, so I really don't see why your memory is so short. link below.

"we would like to show this at E3 next spring."
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=pub&aid=2958

That small statement was enough to get any nfans screaming for joy.

Getting info to developers who will be releasing games in 2006 is much more important than hyping of geeks in 2005 and gouging their 2005 sales.

E3 isn't about getting info to developers it's a show for the retail buyers and press aka the general media. GDC is for developers, and they didn't even do that there this year.

Just because they are not going to let you play with the Rev does not mean it wont be at E3. The people who count, developers, will get what they need. And in the end that is all that is important. Nintendo is happy to let MS and Sony cannibolize their own 2005 sales... while Xbox is killing their Jade Empire, Conker, Forza, Halo 2.5 sales with X2 Nintendo will be laughing as $100 GCN and $50 LoZ fly off the shelves.

like i said above, E3 isn't for the developers at all. Ok, now you're justifying what they are doing because it would canabalize sales of current systems? how can you use that as justification when you're also saying they will be showing next gen games and revealing information about REV? Couldn't that canabalize sales of the new zelda game with your reasoning?

...and what if the new consoles are backwards compatible? How is it canabalizing game sales if you can use your old games on the new machine? obviously we don't know if this is happening yet, but it's a distinct possibility...

I look at it this way, if nintendo doesn't show what they have regarding revolution, it's as good as not going to E3, since both SONY and MS will have the entire spotlight. Common...

 

[London Geezer]

I look at it this way, if nintendo doesn't show what they have regarding revolution, it's as good as not going to E3, since both SONY and MS will have the entire spotlight. Common...

No but you see.... They have Zelda... And Mario!!!

 

[Teasy]

london-boy

To Nintendo gamers, yeah

Why should a brilliant dark 'adult' looking adventure game only be of interest to Nintendo gamers? We're not talking about Wind Waker here. If this game gets great reviews then the only people who aren't going to be interested are XBox/PS2 fan-boys IMO (just to be clear I'm not calling you a fan-boy).

Celda was a great game, so was Metroid, Pikmin, all the games Nintendo has made. The fact still remains, it's obvious Nintendo has failed to broaden their audience, in fact it's even smaller than it was in the N64 days. They're going backwards, and as amazing and fabulous LOZ will be, it will not make GC sell millions of units on its own.

I don't think anyone said it would. Although its certainly possible. I mean what was N64's userbase before OOT was released?

Dr Evil

LoZ is basically more of the same Nintendo stuff that everybody knows Nintendo already has

Do you have a single clue about the new Zelda game? Its quite clearly the darkest looking Zelda game ever. Its certainly nothing like any Zelda game on GC.[/quote]

 

[jvd]

I look at it this way, if nintendo doesn't show what they have regarding revolution, it's as good as not going to E3, since both SONY and MS will have the entire spotlight. Common...

No but you see.... They have Zelda... And Mario!!!

Why show the new system at e3 and be a me too ?

WHy spend all that money and end up fighting with sony and ms to get the media attention. If they wait till a show after e3 they will have all the attention for themselves . Think about it , instead of a few days on all the message boards and game sites talking about the system they will have weeks worth as the two other systems would be announced already and the intrested wont be there (AS the hunger for specs would have been fed)

 

[Qroach]

WHy spend all that money and end up fighting with sony and ms to get the media attention. If they wait till a show after e3 they will have all the attention for themselves . Think about it , instead of a few days on all the message boards and game sites talking about the system they will have weeks worth as the two other systems would be announced already and the intrested wont be there (AS the hunger for specs would have been fed)

What makes you think th majority of video customers will want to wait for for thenext E3 before makign a decision of what console to buy? most people make the decision based on the games released or comign out for a platform.

I think if nintendo waits until next E3 they may end up goign toe to toe with SONY officially unveiling thier console. Not a good place to be IMO.

 

[Acert93]

some footage of games in development. He didn't say revoloution games, did he?

The full quote is:

There'll be a few rolling demos of games currently in development, but no console and no revolutionary controller on display.

In context is is plainly clear that the "rolling demos" are Revolution games--unless you are implying that Nintendo wont be showing any games in playable form, just rolling demos Again, read the quote. Rev game footage but no console/controller.

As for the article you quote, again, semantics. He did not say, "We are going to show playable games, the console, and controllers". Not even close. He said, "we would like to show this at E3 next spring." This is not a promise. The fact they are going to show some game footage and discuss the Revolution is about par for the course. Nintendo already disclosed their system would have wireless support and be backwards compatible.

That is more than we know, officially, than Xenon or PS3.

 

[jvd]

What makes you think th majority of video customers will want to wait for for thenext E3 before makign a decision of what console to buy? most people make the decision based on the games released or comign out for a platform.

Since when is there only e3 ?

I think if nintendo waits until next E3 they may end up goign toe to toe with SONY officially unveiling thier console. Not a good place to be IMO.

well sony is going to unviel alot of stuff at this e3 , they have too , they have to convince people the ps3 is worth waiting for and they wont be able to do that by saying hey we have cell and bluray and expect it to keep people from buying the xbox360 .

But regardless nintendo will have thier own time to show thier system

 

[Teasy]

As it is currently revoloution will NOT be atE3

Thanks for informing us of your decision on that Quincy. Oh and congrats at being appointed head of Nintendo

BTW:

IGNcube: Some of the specs for Microsoft's Xbox successor were recently announced. Will Revolution be technically on par with Microsoft's system?

Reggie: Quite frankly, we'll share more of our technical specs at E3.

 

[Qroach]

In context is is plainly clear that the "rolling demos" are Revolution games--unless you are implying that Nintendo wont be showing any games in playable form, just rolling demos Again, read the quote. Rev game footage but no console/controller.

Ok (using your logic) showing rev games and discuss ReV as you mentioned a few posts back, is going to canabalize the nintendo game sales in 2005, right?

I still don't think they will show any rev games in development. or discuss rev. Really I don't know how they can discuss it when they are worried about people stealing thier ideas. What are you going to say, "well we have this great ideas for gamers, it's a revolution, but we can't tell you what it is yet."

As for the article you quote, again, semantics. He did not say, "We are going to show playable games, the console, and controllers". Not even close. He said, "we would like to show this at E3 next spring." This is not a promise.

Like I said before, that quote was enough to get all the nintnedo fans excited enough to scream from the hill tops "REV will be at E3". i don't see why you had a problem with my saying that.

That is more than we know, officially, than Xenon or PS3.

More then you "technically know", but not more then you've "seen". Wait until E3...

 

[Qroach]

Thanks for informing us of your decision on that Quincy. Oh and congrats at being appointed head of Nintendo

Reggie: "E3 is not the coming out party for Revolution"

I'm sure you've seen this somewhere before, no? i forget where I saw him say that...

 

[Acert93]

And you based that opinion on what, how do you know that games like Perfect Dark Zero or PGR3 are going to play like crap?.

You do not even know if PD0 or PGR3 will be launch titles Anyhow, my opinion is based on first hand witnessing the 8bit, 16bit, 1st 3D, and 2nd 3D gens and every major development shift in the PC gaming world.

General rule is: new console is released, usually with one to three quality titles and a dozen or so LOSERS. Even the quality titles when looked back upon are usually crap in retrospect. Battle Arena Toshinden was a MAJOR force for the PS at the US launch, but looking back it was garbage. Pilot Wings, along with Mario 64, were the two highly rated games at the N64 launch. While Mario64 has weathered the test of time PW64 was clearly an over hyped game.

PD0 and PGR3, if launch titles, could be very good. But history indicates that launch titles tend to be shallow and rushed. There are exceptions, but that is the general rule.

what the hell is that talk about 2 years. Well it's crap.

No it doesn't. Sure PS1 was outselling PS2 and GC and Xbox and DC put together for a while, but it was mainly because there weren't enough PS2s around, and PS2 started outselling PS1 pretty quickly, certainly before 2 years. Besides, PS1 had quite a huge library and well, it was PS1.

http://www.video-games-survey.com/consoles.htm

Guys, stop living in "hard core gamer world". People buy the old consoles for a LONG time after the new consoles are released. Very people are able to plunk down $500 for a new console, a couple games, countrollers, memory cards, etc... The older, more affordable consoles, that have a lot of quality titles tend to sell well for a while. My "crap" is fact. Deal with it.

 

[jvd]

General rule is: new console is released, usually with one to three quality titles and a dozen or so LOSERS. Even the quality titles when looked back upon are usually crap in retrospect. Battle Arena Toshinden was a MAJOR force for the PS at the US launch, but looking back it was garbage. Pilot Wings, along with Mario 64, were the two highly rated games at the N64 launch. While Mario64 has weathered the test of time PW64 was clearly an over hyped game.

I will agree with you that games are pretty crappy at launch. But the fanbois don't seem to care . Rmember the ps2 launch ? THe only decent game would be tekken but people talked about all the games like they were the second coming its just how it is . Even the dreamcast only had 1 good launch game and that was sonic adventure which i wouldn't go past calling it good , its solid not great but solid

The last system with a triple a title was the n64 and before that i would have to say there were no other systems , mabye the nes with super mario bros

 

[Kolgar]

Why should a brilliant dark 'adult' looking adventure game only be of interest to Nintendo gamers?

Because it's Zelda. A Nintendo game. And like it or not, "Nintendo" has come to mean certain things that automatically shut out a very large audience.

It doesn't matter how "dark" or "adult" the new game is, the fact that it's made by Nintendo means that many people who enjoy dark and adult games simply won't give it a second look.

Fair? No. But that's the position Nintendo finds itself in today.

 

[London Geezer]

General rule is: new console is released, usually with one to three quality titles and a dozen or so LOSERS. Even the quality titles when looked back upon are usually crap in retrospect. Battle Arena Toshinden was a MAJOR force for the PS at the US launch, but looking back it was garbage. Pilot Wings, along with Mario 64, were the two highly rated games at the N64 launch. While Mario64 has weathered the test of time PW64 was clearly an over hyped game.

I will agree with you that games are pretty crappy at launch. But the fanbois don't seem to care . Rmember the ps2 launch ? THe only decent game would be tekken but people talked about all the games like they were the second coming its just how it is . Even the dreamcast only had 1 good launch game and that was sonic adventure which i wouldn't go past calling it good , its solid not great but solid

The last system with a triple a title was the n64 and before that i would have to say there were no other systems , mabye the nes with super mario bros

SSX on PS2 was quite a good game, which also spawned some amazing sequels... that's it though.

And i'm a bit rusty on dates, but wasn't Soul Calibur a launch game on DC?

 

[jvd]

And i'm a bit rusty on dates, but wasn't Soul Calibur a launch game on DC?

na that was like 3- 6 months later i believe

it was like sonic adventres a few stupid games i don't remember (one penquin racing game or something ) and godzila

 

[Acert93]

In context is is plainly clear that the "rolling demos" are Revolution games--unless you are implying that Nintendo wont be showing any games in playable form, just rolling demos Again, read the quote. Rev game footage but no console/controller.

Ok (using your logic) showing rev games and discuss ReV as you mentioned a few posts back, is going to canabalize the nintendo game sales in 2005, right?

That is by no means my logic. My logic was emphasizing their E3 showing on a console that wont be released for 18mo is stupid. Showing a demo tape of games under development, discussing some basic features of the new console (backwards compatibility for one) and emphasizing the stuff they will release in the next 12 months--like GCN and NDS games--is a much better plan.

Over hyping the Revolution, 18mo and another E3 away, would hurt 2005 sales. Why is that hard to believe?

Like I said before, that quote was enough to get all the nintnedo fans excited enough to scream from the hill tops "REV will be at E3". i don't see why you had a problem with my saying that.

#1 What Nintendo fans? #2 Who cares what fan-boys say?

This is a circular arguement. Do you want me to counter every claim MS makes by saying, "But MS fanboy said!!!" What is the point of that?

You cannot see the problem with such inane arguements?

That is more than we know, officially, than Xenon or PS3.

More then you "technically know", but not more then you've "seen". Wait until E3...

Oh, now I have to wait? At this point we have a good feeling that MS will be releasing the Xenon this fall and will be showing EVERYTHING at E3 (although there is no confirmation of playable games... I can remember a certain console some 4 years ago being released with very few playable games at E3... what was the console called again??).

As for Sony, the rumblings (i.e. we still have nothing official) is that the PS3 wont be playable on the floor. Obviously Sony's trump card are the PS3 specs. Now if Sony let everyone play the PS3 on the floor and hyped it that would be dumb too. Remember, Sony has 2005 console sales and the PSP to get going. The only reason to release info at E3 is to slow Xenon sales and to get a little word of mouth of "it is coming". Getting US consumers excited at a US trade show for a product that wont be available in the US for 18mo is not very smart if you have a competiting product in the marketplace that you want solid 2005 sales on.

Releasing some specs does not hurt Sony, BUT Nintendo is playing a different hand: "Revolutionary" features. While it does not hurt Sony to release their specs because there is no way Nintendo or MS can change course, if Nintendo has deviced some "revolutionary" features that can be easily implimented (analog sticks, connectivity, mic, cameras, whatever) they could blow their "advantage".

I put all that in "quotes" because honestly, I doubt Nintendo has anything revolutionary, even in the sense of something that is established but not in use in consoles. My guess is that it will be less revolutionary than the analog stick. That is just me.

But for arguements sake I totally understand where Nintendo is coming from: We have something different that will guarantee market penetration. We are going to safeguard this until it is too late for our competitors to react.

And that is what they are betting on for next gen. I don't like that tactic, but then again I am a hard core gamer. I am not necessarily their main audiance.

 

[Teasy]

Reggie: "E3 is not the coming out party for Revolution"

I'm sure you've seen this somewhere before, no? i forget where I saw him say that..

You think that incredibly vague comment contradicts what I posted? What I posted was clear cut, Nintendo will tell us more about Revolutions specs at E3. What you've quoted could mean a few things. He's most likely refering to a full unvieling of the system, with playable games to show off the new control system. Give me a link to that whole comment so we can put it into context and see if it becomes less vague.

 

[Teasy]

Kolgar

The image problem you describe is more about cartoon styled Nintendo games then any game with a Nintendo logo on the box.

With plenty of hype at places like E3 Zelda can apeal to more then Nintendo fans alone. Also, as someone mentioned earlier, the new Zelda can apeal to fans that were lost due to Wind Waker and its cell shaded look.

 

[Qroach]

Over hyping the Revolution, 18mo and another E3 away, would hurt 2005 sales. Why is that hard to believe?

Oh so hurting those 2005 sales that are practically non exsistent onteh cube? Ya know there'a reason i brought up the backwards compatability argument as it's the perfect counter for your "canabalizing" current game sales. If you annouce the next big thing and it's backwards compatable with the games currently on the market, it won't have an impact on what games you are selling.

#1 What Nintendo fans? #2 Who cares what fan-boys say?
This is a circular arguement. Do you want me to counter every claim MS makes by saying, "But MS said!!!" What is the point of that?
You cannot see the problem with such inane arguements?

Would you please stop focusing on a comment like that one? I made a comment and you're obviously bothered by it, but I don't see why you had an issue with it. I mean seriously what are you trying to argue? there was nothing wrong with my original statement.

Oh, now I have to wait?

You clearly didn't understand that statement. you comment how the little info about backwards compatibility and wireless controllers is mroe infor then you know about Xbox 2 and PS3, right? well that's more then you "know" offically, but not more then you've seen. by that I mean you've already seen some pictures of certain games for the Xbox 2. jeez!

if you go on arguing the same point about this being a tachnical move to prevent canabalizing the almost non-exsistent gamecube lineup sales, while ignoring the comments about backwards compatability preventing that, my HEAD will EXPLODE.

 

[Kolgar]

Why show the new system at e3 and be a me too ?

Several reasons, in no particular order.

Nintendo already ignited hope that Revolution would be shown at this E3. If it's not there, that's a huge disappointment - especially to the Nintendo faithful who have to sit out yet another E3 while the company's competitors strut their stuff.

This is the type of thing I alluded to earlier. I was once a staunch Nintendo supporter, but I got burned by delay after delay of Ultra 64. When they yanked it from one E3 and gave us Killer Instinct (Super NES) as a consolation prize, I felt burned. If consumers get burned enough, they eventually go somewhere else.

Secondly, as someone already pointed out, E3 is for retailers, the press - people in this industry who help drive excitement among consumers. If Sony and Microsoft make a big noise about their next-gen offerings but Nintendo stays quiet, it will send a message that all the excitement is elsewhere.

Lastly, if Revolution really is as "revolutionary" as N says it is, there's little chance they'd be a "me too." The possibility that they won't show Rev suggests to me a lack of confidence. Perhaps they feel that under the full blast of Sony and Microsoft's showings, their "revolution" will appear merely "niche"?

I don't have a problem with a company marching to the beat of its own drummer. But generally, you only get that luxury if you're the market leader because you set the pace. It's been a long time since Nintendo ruled the home console market. They just can't do things the way they did back in the NES days. It's time for them to consider not only what their competition is doing, but WHAT CONSUMERS WANT, and react to it. Go out and meet those expectations.

Unfortunately, they don't see this because they're profitable. (Something that will eventually change if they keep going like this.) Perhaps they'll get hungry again one day after Sony and Microsoft get done stealing their lunch.